Dear Kevin, I used to work in the alarm industry, and in fact sat on the CENELEC TC developing EN50130-4 the EMC Immunity Standard For Components of Fire, Intruder and Social Alarm Systems.
I believe your e mail may be referring to the product performance standards such as EN 54 for Fire Alarm Systems (I believe there may be an equivalent for Intruder Alarms by now) that include EMC requirements. My understanding is that these requirements are voluntary and that as they are not listed in the OJ, are not therefore required by the EMC Directive or CE marking. You do raise a valid question however, as to why CENELEC has kept the EMC clauses in these performance standards. I would be happy to discuss this further with you off line. Regards, Simon Rate Engineering Manager Product Safety Gateway Products Ph: 605 232 2230, Ext 26953 Fax: 605 232 2814 E Mail: simon.r...@gateway.com -----Original Message----- From: Jon D. Curtis [mailto:j...@curtis-straus.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 7:23 AM To: Kevin Harris Cc: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Subject: Re: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive I suspect that given the group's proclivity to talk endlessly on almost any topic that the real reason that you got no response was that no one understood your question sufficiently to answer it. You obviously have an alarm system. You have some other EN standard which is in conflict with the alarm EMC standard. You have some authorizing bodies which don't accept your data. You are unhappy about the situation. What standard is in conflict with the alarm standard? Why is it being applied to your product? Does your product fall into multiple product families? What approvals are you approaching a certifier for? Who is the certifier? BTW: attempting to change the way CENELEC does business is futile. You will be attempting a remedy on government time frames for a problem with commercial time frames. You are advocating from a small constituency (alarm systems) against what is likely a larger constituency. Your best bet is to figure out what they want, the easiest way to do it, and give it to them. Kevin Harris wrote: > Hello Again Group, > > Well the group's total silence on this point is indeed interesting. Does > nobody know how to proceed or is everyone just keeping their corporate heads > down :)))) > Please reply offline if you feel uneasy answering this question in a public > forum. > > Regards > > Kevin Harris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com] > Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:38 AM > To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) > Subject: European Standards in conflict with the EMC directive > > Greetings, > > Is there an established procedure for demanding the withdrawal of EMC > clauses within standards who's primary purpose is industry regulation, not > EMC. In my company's industry there is an established product family > standard for EMC (EN50130-4) but the good people at CENELEC seem to be > ignoring the EMC directive, and have published within the last year or two, > EN standards which include EMC testing clauses, with methods that are at > odds with the EMC document EN50130-4 published in the OJ. Especially > troubling to me is the fact that all of the test organisations that test for > the industry regulation specification do not accept either third party or > self declarations that the product is EMC compliant. I do not wish to test > the same product more than once for a single market. What path do you > recommend I follow to demand the repeal of these clauses. > > Best Regards, > > Kevin Harris > Manager, Approval Services > Digital Security Controls > 3301 Langstaff Road > Concord, Ontario > CANADA > L4K 4L2 > > Tel +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 > Fax +1 905 760 3020 > > - > > --------- > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). -- Jon D. Curtis, PE Curtis-Straus LLC j...@curtis-straus.com Laboratory for EMC, Safety, NEBS, SEMI-S2 and Telecom 527 Great Road voice (978) 486-8880 Littleton, MA 01460 fax (978) 486-8828 http://www.curtis-straus.com --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
