Peter, Thanks for your ideas. I might add that I like to have one of the people above my level and within the same company to sign it while pointing out that there are penalties for signing falsely these documents. It helps to calm down those who also ask questions like "what are the chances we'll get caught"! Its always easier to get it done properly if they have some personal stake in the consequences. Just so that a bunch of legal authorities don't start showing up at my desk, I would point out that I have never had this problem here, and I won't identify the person or the company that I really had a heartburn trying to convince. But I have in the past had to throw a few raging fits over the early shipping of a product. Gary
-----Original Message----- From: Peter E. Perkins [mailto:peperk...@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 8:50 PM To: PSNetwork Subject: CE marking - self-certification and the long arm of the law PSNet & Richard, The legal questions can only be answered by European lawyers and courts. As far as I know, there have not been any cases which looked to hold non-Europeans responsible to the extent they would be fined or serve jail time. If it is a major problem we can expect international negotiations to extradite folks for this. But practically, if the product is sold by a company which has any European presence - a subsidiary, dealer or importer - the courts probably could find a way to hold one of those folks responsible. I know of a case where the President of a sub was jailed because a product didn't meet European safety requirements. I have heard of another case where an executive of a large company was handcuffed and taken away at immigration because he was named as being responsible for some action that was not allowed in Europe - unfortunately, this poor fellow was coming to Europe for a vacation, not on company business and his wife and family were just left standing there to fend for themselves... For smaller companies, I recommend that they get one of their Euro contacts - importers, dealers, etc. - to countersign the MDoC to provide the 'going to jail' person. There are, also, some firms (legal firms, as I remember) who will sign and hold your MDoC, etc for a nominal fee... What other routes might be available? perhaps others have some ideas... - - - - - Peter E Perkins Principal Product Safety Consultant Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 +1/503/452-1201 phone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org email visit our website: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/peperkins - - - - - --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).