Peter,
        Thanks for your ideas. I might add that I like to have one of the
people above my level and within the same company to sign it while pointing
out that there are penalties for signing falsely these documents. It helps
to calm down those who also ask questions like "what are the chances we'll
get caught"! Its always easier to get it done properly if they have some
personal stake in the consequences.
        Just so that a bunch of legal authorities don't start showing up at
my desk,  I would point out that I have never  had this problem here, and I
won't identify the person or the company that I really had a heartburn
trying to convince.  But I have in the past had to throw a few raging fits
over the early shipping of a product.
        Gary

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Peter E. Perkins [mailto:peperk...@compuserve.com]
                Sent:   Wednesday, March 03, 1999 8:50 PM
                To:     PSNetwork
                Subject:        CE marking - self-certification and the long
arm of the law


                PSNet & Richard,

                        The legal questions can only be answered by European
lawyers and
                courts.  As far as I know, there have not been any cases
which looked to
                hold non-Europeans responsible to the extent they would be
fined or serve
                jail time.  If it is a major problem we can expect
international
                negotiations to extradite folks for this.  

                        But practically,  if the product is sold by a
company which has any
                European presence - a subsidiary, dealer or importer - the
courts probably
                could find a way to hold one of those folks responsible.  I
know of a case
                where the President of a sub was jailed because a product
didn't meet
                European safety requirements.  I have heard of another case
where an
                executive of a large company was handcuffed and taken away
at immigration
                because he was named as being responsible for some action
that was not
                allowed in Europe - unfortunately, this poor fellow was
coming to Europe
                for a vacation, not on company business and his wife and
family were just
                left standing there to fend for themselves...  

                        For smaller companies, I recommend that they get one
of their Euro
                contacts - importers, dealers, etc. - to countersign the
MDoC to provide
                the 'going to jail' person.  There are, also, some firms
(legal firms, as I
                remember) who will sign and hold your MDoC, etc for a
nominal fee...  

                        What other routes might be available?  perhaps
others have some
                ideas... 


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