Jeff, I have noticed the following sequence of events relative to country certifications:
1. No particular standards cited.
2. Compliance with IEC 60950 stipulated, but no certification required.
3. Certification required, but often based on CB Certificate alone.
4. Certification required, but based on full CB Test Report and review.
5. Addition of cited EMC standard, but without certification.
6. EMC certification to standard(s) required.
7. EMC test data required to be taken by in-country lab.
8. Acceptance of "outside" EMC test data.
This is not a complete list of the possible evolutionary steps toward
country certifications. Regulated EMC is new for China, so we are at
step 7. I suspect that within a year or two, the SAIQ/CCIB will accept
EMC data taken by outside "qualified" labs. Not long ago, all PCs and
peripherals had to be tested by the FCC for Class B compliance. Imagine
the problems overseas vendors had with this. Now this can be a self-
declaration.
Moral: Be patient. Every country has the right to impose whatever rules
and certification processes they deem necessary to ensure meeting their
safety and EMC objectives. However, simplified acceptance procedures
come slowly through trust in manufacturers, and in the test labs of other
countries.
George
jwiseman%printronix....@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/14/2000 01:18:57 PM
To: George_Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark@LEXMARK,
emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee....@interlock.lexmark.com
cc: (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark)
Subject: RE: Homologations: Hong Kong / China Central Office Telecom Equip ment
George did a good job explaining, but I am currently going through the CCIB
process myself. The thing I have found most inconvenient is that they now
require the EMC testing be done in country. They will use your current
reports only for reference. I know that some labs are trying to bring
testing outside of the PRC but with little success.
Josh
-----Original Message-----
From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:48 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Homologations: Hong Kong / China Central Office Telecom
Equipment
Jeff,
I am not familiar with telecom requirements, however, we do market our
printers
in
these locations. Here are some things I think I know regarding generic ITE.
I am unaware of any safety/EMC certification requirements in Hong Kong.
Note
that
Hong Kong is now officially part of the People's Republic of China, but
operates
a
bit "apart" from mainland PRC.
The IEC listed CB reviewing body for the PRC is the CCEE, which has the
authority
to issue the Great Wall mark based on compliance to GB4943-1995 (IEC 60950
in
Chinese). However, the CCEE mark is primarily required for electrical
equipment
made in China for sale in China, i.e. an internal safety mark..
All imported ITE must obtain the CCIB certification and mark to GB4943-1995
and
GB9254-1998 (EMC, CISPR 22). A CB Test Report is accepted and preferred,
but
China labs perform the EMC tests for CCIB. A key requirement is an initial
factory
inspection by SAIQ/CCIB personnel. Depending on the location of your
factory,
this can be a schedule problem as they cannot afford the time to fly to the
U.S.
for
a single inspection. Our factory was one of seven being inspected in 1998.
There are some other peripheral requirements for consumer ITE, e.g. user
manual
in simplified Chinese. The PRC does not wish to be "westernized", and
prefers
that
packaging, documentation, etc. be in Chinese.
I hope this helps.
George Alspaugh
Lexmark International Inc.
---------------------- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on
09/14/2000
09:34 AM ---------------------------
jcollins%ciena....@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/14/2000 08:44:44 AM
Please respond to jcollins%ciena....@interlock.lexmark.com
To: emc-pstc%ieee....@interlock.lexmark.com
cc: (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark)
Subject: Homologations: Hong Kong / China Central Office Telecom Equipment
Group,
Any experiences with getting Central Office Telecom equipment (ITE) into
Hong Kong and China?
CB Scheme to IEC 60950 should address product safety. What about EMC? Has
the Great Wall Mark (China's version of CE Mark) been implemented?
What about environmental management issues???? Who would be the equivalent
to the RBOC's in Hong Kong and China???
Thanks in advance,
Jeffrey Collins
MTS, Principal Compliance Engineer
Ciena Core Switching Division
jcoll...@ciena.com
www.ciena.com
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Title: RE: Homologations: Hong Kong / China Central Office Telecom Equipment
George did a good job explaining, but I am currently going through the CCIB process myself. The thing I have found most inconvenient is that they now require the EMC testing be done in country. They will use your current reports only for reference. I know that some labs are trying to bring testing outside of the PRC but with little success.
Josh
-----Original Message-----
From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:48 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Homologations: Hong Kong / China Central Office Telecom
Equipment
Jeff,
I am not familiar with telecom requirements, however, we do market our printers
in
these locations. Here are some things I think I know regarding generic ITE.
I am unaware of any safety/EMC certification requirements in Hong Kong. Note
that
Hong Kong is now officially part of the People's Republic of China, but operates
a
bit "apart" from mainland PRC.
The IEC listed CB reviewing body for the PRC is the CCEE, which has the
authority
to issue the Great Wall mark based on compliance to GB4943-1995 (IEC 60950 in
Chinese). However, the CCEE mark is primarily required for electrical equipment
made in China for sale in China, i.e. an internal safety mark..
All imported ITE must obtain the CCIB certification and mark to GB4943-1995 and
GB9254-1998 (EMC, CISPR 22). A CB Test Report is accepted and preferred, but
China labs perform the EMC tests for CCIB. A key requirement is an initial
factory
inspection by SAIQ/CCIB personnel. Depending on the location of your factory,
this can be a schedule problem as they cannot afford the time to fly to the U.S.
for
a single inspection. Our factory was one of seven being inspected in 1998.
There are some other peripheral requirements for consumer ITE, e.g. user manual
in simplified Chinese. The PRC does not wish to be "westernized", and prefers
that
packaging, documentation, etc. be in Chinese.
I hope this helps.
George Alspaugh
Lexmark International Inc.
---------------------- Forwarded by George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark on 09/14/2000
09:34 AM ---------------------------
jcollins%ciena....@interlock.lexmark.com on 09/14/2000 08:44:44 AM
Please respond to jcollins%ciena....@interlock.lexmark.com
To: emc-pstc%ieee....@interlock.lexmark.com
cc: (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark)
Subject: Homologations: Hong Kong / China Central Office Telecom Equipment
Group,
Any experiences with getting Central Office Telecom equipment (ITE) into
Hong Kong and China?
CB Scheme to IEC 60950 should address product safety. What about EMC? Has
the Great Wall Mark (China's version of CE Mark) been implemented?
What about environmental management issues???? Who would be the equivalent
to the RBOC's in Hong Kong and China???
Thanks in advance,
Jeffrey Collins
MTS, Principal Compliance Engineer
Ciena Core Switching Division
jcoll...@ciena.com
www.ciena.com
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