I previously sent this to John off-line. But after reading other responses on-line, I thought it may be an experience worth sharing. One warning, my experience deals with test and measurement equipment (which was John's question). Other product types may be different.
> Hi John, > > Our experience with this: > > -We were selling product into Russia with the CE mark however, it > sometimes would get delays as customers were asking for compliance > documentation. > > -We then had a request from our Russian representative to GOST mark > certain products for a large tender. This essentially boiled down to > us paying $44,000 for about six people to come over here from Russia, > review our products' compliance documentation... . The review > covered 8 products. The people were very personable, seemed to know > what they were doing and they did actually go through our compliance > documentation. There was no re-testing required. > > Now, for these 8 products, our representative places the GOST mark on > them, and they have unimpeded access to the Russian market. > > It may have been easier if we had our product's initial EMC testing > done by a member of the CB scheme. Gosstandart has an easier time > accepting data from TUV, VDE, ... But, this would have cost us more > initially. And Gosstandart would still possibly charge us something > for the review. > > It appears that you can us CE, if your customers accept it; although > there may be some delays. If not, then you can either pay up front > for a CB scheme report with Gosstandart endorsement. Or pay later for > Gosstandart to review your CE marked products individually. > > Pay now...pay later...pay the piper. That's about what it boils down > to. > > Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division > email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 > 8024 > > NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA > web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bouse, John [SMTP:john.bo...@perkinelmer.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:23 PM > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: CE Mark and GOST > > > Hello Group, > > Is the CE Mark sufficient to allow products (laboratory instruments, > for example) to be sold/shipped into the Russian Federation, or is > the GOST mark also required? > > Regards, > John Bouse > PKI > Shelton, CT USA > =================================================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk] > Sent: September 13, 2001 12:38 PM > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: RE: CE Mark > > > > Hi Ralph, > > The CE mark is not exclusive to EMC. Indeed, it refers to compliance > with > all directives relevant to the product, so a teddy bear will be CE > marked if > it meets the requirements of the toy directive and all relevant safety > directives. > > Pressure vessels will have to meet the requirements of the pressure > directive > and so on, and if any product crosses boundaries, it has to meet all > the > applicable > directives. > > However, the CE mark is a declaration of conformity and you can self > certify. > This means I can disappear into my garage for a few weeks and emerge > with > a CE marked product - and it would be perfectly legal - as long as the > declaration > is true i.e. I have done what needs to be done to prove compliance, > and one > way > to do this would be to test to applicable harmonised standards. > Validity of > self > certification may change in due course but at the moment, that is how > it is. > > I like Chris Maxwell's spin on the meaning of CE, and it would be true > if > every firm made a distinction between the compliance engineer and the > designer. In all the companies I have worked for - we do it all i.e. > the > designer > designs to spec, takes the product through type approval tests, then > through > precompliance and then through full compliance. So the electronics > designers > are responsible for meeting all the applicable directives (EMC, > electrical > safety) > and functional type approval and they do so by product proving and EMC > testing > the product themselves - to the applicable standard. They are also > responsible for > the technical documentation for the electrical aspects of the product. > The > mechanical engineers and hydraulics engineers do likewise and when > it's all > done, > the fall guy (engineering director) puts his signature on the > declaration of > conformity. > What this means is that if the declaration should subsequently be > proven > false, he > is the one who goes to the gallows. > > Wait a minute! I used to think everyone worked that way, but I get the > feeling > I may be doing too much! That does it! I am off to see the payroll > people > soon > after sending this e-mail and hopefully will emerge with a CE marked > cheque > - > or CE marked letter of dismissal!! You can never be too sure with > these > accounts people. > > Regards y'all > > - Chris Chileshe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Cameron [SMTP:ral...@igs.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:57 PM > To: Chris Chileshe; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: CE Mark > > I think its fair to state that CE also equates to designed in level of > immunity to electromagnetic interference, i.e. reduced sensitivity or > susceptibility. In my view , a highly desireable because it prevents > a lot > of what's out there from coming in and conversely a lot of what's > inside > from coming out. > > It's a compromise but better than nothing. > > Ralph cameron > EMC Consulting and Suppression of Consumer Electronics > (after sale) > > << snip >> > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet > delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. 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