Following my previous email below. One of the members of this group asked me a very good question which I didn't put it in detail in my email. That's about acceptance of CB report. For EMC, this is no question about it. In-country testing is a must-go and I thought it's quite clearly expressed in my email below. CCC doesn't accept any EMC reports from any where else apart from their CNCA accredited labs. For safety, they accept CB report. However if the CB report doesn't include China deviations, additional test(s) will be performed in their accredited lab(s). If the CB report includes China deviations, they accept it. Of course, the cost and processing time will be different with and without CB report. Hope this helps. Leslie Leslie Bai <leslie_...@yahoo.com> wrote: Fred, You raised a good point here by answering Chet's questions. Here is the update of CNCA accreditation. Since CCC was initially anounced to be implemented in May, the whole system was actually not ready at that time even the cost of testing and certification were not defined until late July. BTW - The first US manufacturer who went through CCC factory inspection and certification since CCC was implemented is my customer so I know they were not ready when my customer applied for CCC. In June, CNCA announced TWO (2) CCC certification bodies accredited to issue CCC certification mark and 68 Chinese labs accredited to perform CCC testing covering 19 categories of products regulated under CCC. 9 labs located in different regions of China are accredited for electrical electronics and IT products testing. The complete set (47 volumes) of CCC regulations are available for manufacturer's reference for a couple of US dollars each volume. If I were you, the manufacturer, I would not spend several hundred dollars to buy them from other sources. For Chinese manufacturers, the closest lab will be assigned for CCC testing. For foreign manufacturers, the labs located in Beijing will be assigned for CCC testing. (This seems to loose recently and foreign manufacturer now can name a prefered lab to perform CCC testing if sufficient reasons being raised. One of my customers did this recently as two labs in Beijing have different views on the issue of whether the power adapter provided by other manufacturer shall be included in the certification of their products and we finally achieved a perfect agreement with one of the Certification body for the best interest of this customer, this, I thought, is the value of using a qualified agent). There is no other agency accredited to issue CCC mark other than 2 accredited Chinese agencies both located in Beijing. There is no so-called "registered agent" to perform CCC certification either issueing CCC mark or perform CCC testing. There is no foreign labs accredited by CNCA to perform CCC testing other than 68 accredited labs in China. All application must be made to 2 accredited CCC certification bodies and tested by one of 68 labs in China, either directly by the manufacturers or through an agent. However, the value of employing an agent, I believe, is to efficiently communicate with both certification body and test lab to facilitate the process, define the testing scope, and trouble-shooting with Chinese Engineers if unpleasant failure occurs. So such agent should have both Estern and Western backgrounds, understand Chinese culture, speak their language, and with sound Compliance Engineering knowledge. Please also note that MII Type approval is different. MII and CNCA are not in the same boat. MII has its own regulations and accredited labs. For foreign manufacturers, MII test lab can assign Engineers to the customer site to perform testing and issue MII accredited report for MII type approval - (BWT: We have done this for our customers before and it's is extremely helpful and benefitial to foreign manuacturers consdiering the transporation cost of big telecom racks shipped to China!, It could be OK if US Western coast ports are running smoothly). Should anyone like to understand more of China approvals, feel free to contact me off-line. Hope this helps. Leslie Fred Borda <fbo...@typeapproval.com> wrote: Hi Chet,
The set of documents published by CNCA, the authority that administers the CCC mark scheme in China, is available in English at: http://www.typeapproval.com/cn/emc.html The document labeled Regulations for CPCS.pdf is the overall regulations guiding the regime. It addresses type testing. While I don't believe it specifically says that testing performed outside China is not accepted, a lot is determined at the implementation level. Testing must be performed at CNCA accredited laboratories. I don't know of any such accredited labs outside China. I know that several US manufacturers had sought to have their own labs accredited at one point, but the last I heard was that these applications have all been in limbo for a very long time. As a practical matter, the testing must be conducted in China. As for laboratories b! ecoming accepted agents, if by that you mean accreditation to have their test reports accepted by certification bodies in China, this is the procedure mentioned above that some labs have tried. I'm eager to hear from any list members about progress they may have made in this accreditation process. If by accepted agent you mean a foreign lab to become a certification body to issue the CCC mark, I think we may not see this for some time to come. Has anyone else seen further movement on this front? -Fred Borda Compliance International www.typeapproval.com At AM 11:01 10/31/02 -0800, Summers, Chet wrote: >Hello Listmembers. I am researching the procedures needed to obtain the CCC >mark for shipment of CCTV equipment into China and need some guidance from >those experienced in the process. > >First, which Chinese document explicitly mandates type testing within China? >I have read from ! various sourches that any testing not performed within the >country is completely unacceptable. Where can I review the Chinese >Government's official stand on type testing, for EMC and product safety? > >Lastly, I am looking for procedures necessary for a Regulatory Compliance >Lab to become an accepted agent within China. > > >Any experiences with this process that you are willing to share will be >appreciated. > > > > >Chet Summers >Compliance Engineer >Pelco >tel 1-559-292-1981 X2822 >fax 1-559-294-2697 > >------------------------------------------- >This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety >Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > >Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > >To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org >with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > >For help, send mail! to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > >For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > >All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" ---- Fred Borda Director Marketing & Business Development Compliance International www.typeapproval.com -------------------------------------------------- The experts in telecommunications equipment type approval across the Asia-Pacific region -------------------------------------------------- 4713 First Street, Suite 280 Pleasanton, California 94566-7362 USA Tel +1.925.417.5571 (direct) Fax +1.925.417.5574 Mobile +1.650.740.5762 fbo...@typeapproval.com ------------------------------------------! - This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety! Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
