Dear Mike
I'm sure professionals like yourself wouldn't dream of ever cutting a safety 
ground.

Yet it does happen in pro-audio and video installations, even sometimes in 
the Albert Hall in London at black tie concerts.

I know the US doesn't have laws equivalent to Europe's LVD, but I didn't know 
whether the actions of OSHA and similar bodies had a similar effect to the 
LVD. 

All the very best!
Keith Armstrong


In a message dated 20/03/02 20:04:01 GMT Standard Time, 
mertino...@skyskan.com writes:

> Subj:RE: Pro-audio and ground lifting
> Date:20/03/02 20:04:01 GMT Standard Time
> From:    mertino...@skyskan.com (Michael Mertinooke)
> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:mertino...@skyskan.com";>mertino...@skyskan.com</A>
> To:    cherryclo...@aol.com
> 
> Hi;
>  
> What the heck is a "Class I location"?  
>  
> I'm serious. There are about forty-eleven different standards,
> each of which seems to have created something called
> Class I, Class II, and Class III locations. For example, the
> US National Electrical Code classifies Class I Locations
> (Section 500-7) as "Those in which flammable gases or
> vapors are or may be present in the air in quantities ..."
> and so forth. 
>  
> By the way, you are not going to get anybody to approve 
> removing a protective ground wire in a hazardous location.
>  
> Judging from the note at the bottom of your email, I 
> think you mean UL Class I apparatus. This is equipment in 
> which protection against shock requires connection of accessible
> conductive parts to the protective conductor (per UL6500
> section 2.38). 
>  
> If so, then you already have your answer.  Protection against 
> electric shock REQUIRES that the conductive parts be connected
> to Earth at all times. You may not, never, nohow go 
> around cutting no ground wires, okay?
> 
> >It has been a common practice over many many years 
> >in professional audio systems and installations to 'lift the 
> >grounds' on equipment to cure hum problems. 
> >So what are your views on removing the safety grounds 
> >from Class I equipment used in pro-audio systems and 
> > installations? Can anyone defend this practice or show 
> >that it is legal in the USA? 
>  
> The hell you say! It is most certainly NOT legal, and is
> NOT common practice to remove ANY protective grounds!!!!! 
> 
> What is common practice in Audio equipment is to provide
> a "functional earth" or a "reference earth" ground terminal.
> And yes, it is extremely common to provide this option.
> In fact, a shielded audio cable almost never works right
> unless you float the shield at one end. This is perfectly
> acceptable, because the Protective Earth ground connection
> remains intact at all times. 
>  
> Okay, so I do not doubt you have had some clowns try to
> tell you to snip the Safety ground. *sigh* professional audio
> seems to be where children go when they want to pretend
> to be engineers. But don't judge us by these morons, okay?
>  
> See ya.
> Mike Mertinooke
> 

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