Hi Sam, You can go to FCC's OET Equipment Authorization website
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm choose 8CC Part 18 Consumer Device in the equipment class, choose date range of grants you want displayed. I entered a 4 year range of dates, got 463 hits, many of them other kinds of equipment, mostly microwave ovens, but a number of devices with description of RF Lighting or Electronic Ballast I refined the Product Description search term to "Electronic Ballast" and then later to "Light" with 63 and 12 hits respectively. The RF frequencies are listed on the grants. Interestingly in reviewing some of the submission documents, although the items were granted as Part 18 devices, they are simply switching power supplies that provide DC to LED arrays. This type of product should have been classified as Part 15 devices it would seem... best regards Tom Cokenias T.N. Cokenias Consulting P.O. Box 1086 El Granada CA 94018 tel 650 726 1263 fax 650 726 1252 mobile 650 302 0887 On Jun 7, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Sam.Wismer wrote: > I've done some research several times and can only find a single example > of a true RF Lighting device. A sulfur bulb is activated by a 2.5GHz RF > signal. Does anyone know of any other examples so that I know one when > I see one? Thanks. > > Sam Wismer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve O'Steen [mailto:steve.ost...@acstestlab.com] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 2:29 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] LED Lighting Fixtures > > Just received a reply from the OET regarding an LED Light Fixture that > would agree with the response Bill had received. > > > > Office of Engineering and Technology > > > > > Inquiry: > What is the appropriate Part to be applied to LED Lighting Fixtures, 47 > CFR Part 15 or Part 18? > > Response: > LED lighting devices are not RF lights under Part 18. If they operate > or generate signals above 9 kHz such as from switching power supplies or > digital circuits, they are subject to Part 15. > > > > Regards, > > Steve O'Steen > > EMC Director > > Advanced Compliance Solutions, Inc. > > sost...@acstestlab.com > > 770-831-8048 ext. 210 > > www.acstestlab.com > > > > ATLANTA, GA - MELBOURNE, FL - BOCA RATON, FL > > > > ****************CONFIDENTIAL**************** > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is > confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The > information is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person > responsible for delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the > intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, > print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If > you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately by return e-mail and delete it from your computer. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bill > Stumpf > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:45 AM > To: Doug Kramer; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: RE: LED Lighting Fixtures > > All, > Most LED lighting devices use a switching power supply to drive the > LED's is subject to FCC Part 15. The LED's themselves, being DC driven, > are not subject to Part 15 or Part 18. Here's an FCC inquiry I did a > while ago and the FCC's response. > > Inquiry: > We've been informed of several LED lamps being marketed as FCC Part 18 > compliant. Most LED lamps use a switching power supply to provide DC > voltage that lights the LED's. LED lamps do not meet our understanding > of the definition of RF lighting. Can you define Part 18 RF Lighting, > and answer if LED lamps should therefore be tested to comply with Part > 15 or to Part 18? > > Response: > An RF light is a lighting device that produces light by the stimulation > of gases using RF energy. An LED is not an RF light and is not subject > to Parts 15 or 18. A switching power supply that is used to power an > LED is subject to Verification under Part 15. > > > Bill Stumpf > D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc. > 166 South Carter Street > Genoa City WI 53128 > Ph: 262-279-0210 > Email: bstu...@dlsemc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Kramer [mailto:dkra...@nceelabs.com] > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:17 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] LED Lighting Fixtures > > US Federal Communications Commission (FCC). > > > -----Original Message----- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian > Oconnell > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:03 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: RE: LED Lighting Fixtures > > Whom is "they"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug > Kramer > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:18 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org; T.Sato > Subject: RE: LED Lighting Fixtures > > I asked them about some noisey LEDs too (over Part 15 class B limits, > within > Ux of Class A limits), and they did not regard them as Part 15 either. > -Doug > > -----Original Message----- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of T.Sato > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM > To: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org > Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: RE: LED Lighting Fixtures > > On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:40:04 -0600, > "Chris Anderson (cmanderson)" <cmander...@micron.com> wrote: > >> My understanding is to use FCC Part 15. A lot of people default to > Part >> 18, but Part 18 refers to RF lighting and LEDs are not RF lighting. > The > > Some LED lightings use RF PWM to drive LEDs and those LEDs will > be driven by RF current, and some may think them as "RF lighting" > in a broad sense. > > I asked FCC about this topic, and the answer was that LED lightings > would not be regarded as Part 18 device even if it use RF PWM to > drive the LEDs. > > Regards, > Tom > > -- > Tomonori Sato <vef00...@nifty.ne.jp> > URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ > > >> From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Steve >> O'Steen >> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:21 PM >> To: emc-p...@ieee.org >> Cc: sost...@acstestlab.com >> Subject: LED Lighting Fixtures >> >> >> >> I'm interested in any comments regarding the appropriate EMC >> requirements for an LED Lighting Fixture for use in North America. >> Would this default to FCC 47CFR Part 18 or is there a place for it in >> Part 15? > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc > discussion list. 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