The severity of the test using a CDN is much more repeatable compared to the EM-clamp. With a clamp test, how the auxillary end of the cable is terminated has a profound affect on the test since it affects the total circuit impedance. It could make the test either less or more severe. This is where subclauses 7.3 and 7.4 of 61000-4-6 come into play. If I were to test a shielded cable using an EM-clamp, I would short the cable shield to the ground plane on the AE side. This would lower the overall circuit impedance, making it a more severe test in most cases. Then I would use a feedback probe on the EUT side to measure the induced current and limit the induced level based on that measurement, according to subclause 7.4 of the standard. Obviously, when allowed, the preferred method is to use a CDN for shielded cables. Bob Richards, NCT
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Sterner, David (NY80) <david.ster...@honeywell.com> wrote: From: Sterner, David (NY80) <david.ster...@honeywell.com> Subject: RE: EN61000-4-6: coupling to shielded cable To: "Charles Blackham" <charles.black...@sulisconsultants.com>, emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:10 AM Charlie - The immunity document for security systems, EN 50130-4, specifies a CDN for screened cable; we use the Fischer CDN on video cable. EN 55024 (ITE) does not specify a test procedure for screened cable. Our comparative results on the same 75-ohm cable link indicate that the CDN-75 provides a much more severe stress than the (Fischer) E-M clamp. Outlook: Products that 'pass' using the E-M clamp on sccreened cables are very likely to fail if retested, i.e. by an agency or an OEM customer. E-M results on video products are likely to give one a false sense of security; image degradation will be more severe with the CDN. _ Honeywell David W. Sterner Quality Assurance Engineering 2 Corporate Center Drive Suite 100 P.O. Box 9040 Melville, NY 11747 Phone: (516) 577-2321 Fax: (516) 577-3540 david.ster...@honeywell.com <http://www.honeywell.com> -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Charles Blackham Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:49 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: EN61000-4-6: coupling to shielded cable Group We have a unit with a 2-wire shielded signal cable that falls under EN61326-2-3 and also requirements of NAMUR (automation technology in process industries). We have been performing EN61000-4-6 Conducted Immunity tests on the shielded cable using a coupling clamp as the injection method, however client is requesting we use a CDN Does anyone perform such testing using a CDN? regards Charlie - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@ptcnh.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@ptcnh.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@ptcnh.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com>