Mark, I am just trying to understand. You describe a facility that costs in the area of 15 to 20 million dollars. You describe a staff that costs you $2 Million a year just in salaries and benefits. And you forgot the sales and administrative people that will support your investment that probably costs another $1 Million. Due to new and changing standards you are purchasing $1 to $5 Million in new equipment each year. And then you are paying utilities, taxes and everything else that goes with a business. And you last statement, you are making tons of dough? At $1.5k - $2k per eight hour shift, per test or $30k per day (10 technicians, 10 engineers). You might want to check your math. 200 work days a year that comes out to $6 Million or $8 Million if you are running a fine tuned machine. I don't think even an Intertek, Bureau Veritas, TUV or other large organization, would say they can make tons of dough with the investment you describe in any economy. Maybe I am just too small to understand your dream, or to out of touch with how well the big guys make money. Just a thought from a guy that put $5k 14 years ago to start a lab from scatch. I know you want this to be fun, but lets be a little more realistic. >From what you describe I am not sure you ever recover your investment. Larry Stillings Compliance Worldwide, Inc.
________________________________ From: Mark Gandler [mailto:markgand...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:27 PM To: emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Dream come true: Building your own compliance test lab, pros and cons Hi, I assume this subject probably was brought up at one point or another, so if someone can point me to archives or have some useful links/info, please send. As most of us compliance folks, who does not have a privilege to work for a company with unlimited resources and CEO being formal EMC engineer, we all dream what one day we will have full blown REGULATORY COMPLIANCE lab (in my dream it comes in caps) with 2 10m anechoic chambers, open site with pastoral views and fountains, any possible immunity gadgets, RF chamber for wireless testing, Safety heaven, walk-in closet of ferrites, 2 Phd's, 10 engineers, 10 technicians and 1 cute office manager. And it's all yours. And you are making tons of dough. Well short of that, could some of you share experiences of building your own compliance lab (not just 3-5m chamber for pre-compliance emissions): * did you start from scratch or had some basic first aid: receivers, chambers, personnel? * was it only for EMC or as well for Wireless, Safety, telecom? * did you get accreditations? * how soon did you recover your investment? and what was acceptable time frame: 2/3/4 years? * which tests you still have to take outside? UL/FCC DFS/A-tick? * did you do it yourself or used some turn-key solution companies? * and the last, but not least, how much? I know it is not as exciting as runaways Toyota's, but let's try to make it fun. Thanks, Mark Gandler Compliance Netgear ________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. Sign up now. <http://www.windows ive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID279 5::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@socal.rr.com> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@socal.rr.com> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com>