Fascinating indeed the dialogue between Gert and John W. I feel encouraged by Jim's message to add an input to this topic
We do our own certification (safety and EMC) for the EU market. Our products include or consist of racks/cabinets containing CE marked equipment. The products we sell can be "standard" (i.e. sold to more than one customer) or "custom". In both cases we certify (including EMC testing) each configuration. For only one customer and final product integrator, we were asked to provide CE DoC's for equipment installed within cabinets. However, when we purchase and integrate installations, we ask our suppliers to certify the whole system, rather than get DoC's for parts. Alexandru Guidea CAE Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Knighten, Jim L Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 1:58 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: certifying overall products vs. certifying individual constituant chassis Guys, The responses to my question regarding certifying products at the ensemble overall product level vs. certifying at the individual chassis, or subsystem, level have been fascinating and appreciated. I appreciate the robust and knowledgeable input from expert consultants and test labs. I encourage more representatives from manufacturers to chime in to the discussion of this topic. Are you certifying your products (what John Woodgate calls "not custom" products, i.e., produced for numerous customers and sold and billed as a unit) as a unit, or as constituent subsystems, or chassis? By the term "certifying," I include BOTH EMC and safety. Jim __________________________ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 - phone 858-485-3788 - fax (unattended) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:23 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: certifying overall products vs. certifying individual constituant chassis In message <FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4890A6D69@ZEUS.cetest.local>, dated Fri, 30 Oct 2009, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" <g.grem...@cetest.nl> writes: >Custom or not. It's the same. >CE marking applies also to single items to its full extend. The word >"custom" is not mentioned in the guide, nor "rack". > >From the Guide to 2004/108/EC : What you have quoted is all about combination products offered for general sale. For those, what you say is correct. But my responses are mostly about **custom** assemblies of compliant products, for which the rules are, as I am sure you know, different. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK Help stamp out intolerance! - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@socal.rr.com> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@socal.rr.com> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@socal.rr.com> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
