A cogent description of present USA gov't and societal dyslexia. One other issue is that not all standards are levied and enforced by government, nor need they be.
USB is a standard, so is Ethernet. Televisions measure their picture quality vs. rf input level performance against an EIA standard. Engine oil viscosity is an SAE standard. There are thousands of industrial standards for materials and processes. It isn't obvious to me that if there existed a burning need for immunity requirements, that it couldn't be done within the industry. Then if someone fudged on it and claimed compliance when there wasn't any, it would become an issue to be adjudicated in the (gov't) court system like any other fraud, but without involvement of a gov't regulator. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Brian O'Connell <oconne...@tamuracorp.com> > Reply-To: Brian O'Connell <oconne...@tamuracorp.com> > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:28:03 +0000 > To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Conversation: Yankee politics and enginering, was RF Common Mode Immunity Test > Question > Subject: [PSES] Yankee politics and enginering, was RF Common Mode Immunity > Test Question > > Good People, > > Some background of the political environment for Yankee engineering. > > Europeans expect to get their technical and philosophical sensibilities > returned from their states. Their assumption is valid more oft than not > because the state is small and the bureaucracy is relatively responsive and > somewhat competent. Also, the executive of most EU states respond to the > electorate as only parliamentary systems may (note the recent and rapid > changes in Australia and UK). > > The American electorate, which is not necessarily the constituency , is > insular and is loath to listen to the technical specialist. The technocracy > does not trust the politicos, the politico thinks her constituency is ignorant > and at times will intentionally misinform her constituency , and the > constituency cannot afford to grant any significant level trust to anyone. And > since there is no legitimate remaining 'Fourth Estate' in America, the ability > of any group to discern and afford trust to any other group is limited. > > Americans cannot assume that the state is able to competently administer and > implement; so any extension of technology regulations are greeted with caution > and mistrust. > > Other than that, things are great - the local ales are damn good, and the > burritos are most excellent. > > Brian > > From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:38 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question > > As a US citizen my premise on any government involvement is to make it as > impossible or as hard for them to regulate anything as can be. This includes > EMC, immunity or any other thing. Too many fall under the idea that personal > safety outweighs personal freedom. That may work in a socialist type > environment, but not in here. > > > > Dennis Ward > > From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:01 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question > > Ravinder > > W.r.t. your 2nd para, the 1st sentence is roughly what I said in an earlier > post - but the 2nd sentence could be a misleading assumption because of what > you said in the 1st para (and what I also said in my earlier post about bean > counting for the US market!) ☹ > > John Allen > W.London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ravinder Ajmani [mailto:ravinder.ajm...@hgst.com] > Sent: 15 September 2015 18:51 > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question > > Pardon my skepticism, but I have very little faith on the US industries > self-enforcing any kind of regulations. When Wall Street analysts expect > public companies to show higher profits quarter after quarter, lowering the > cost becomes the key driver. > > However most US companies ship their products overseas, and almost all of > these countries have some form of immunity requirements, similar to the EU > regulations. Hence one can assume that the products built in US are designed > to meet these requirements. > > The sad thing is that in until the eighties US was leading the world on EMC > requirements, but now has fallen behind. > > My personal view. > > Regards > > Ravinder Ajmani > HGST, a Western Digital company > ravinder.ajm...@hgst.com > > > 5601 Great Oaks Parkway > San Jose, CA 95119 > www.hgst.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:16 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question > > Well not really John - ANSI has no regulatory authority but money does. A > business isn't likely to simply add either NRE cost or cost per unit without > justification - poor product performance, competitive advantage, regulation. > Poor performance isn't even a clean definition - if I have one failure out of > 10,000 because of ESD for example - just ship them another one etc. > > My personal opinion is that proper operation in the field is as important as > any other functional specification but whether it's done through > self-enforcement or governmental regulation is a thorny question. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:38 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question > > In message <009601d0ef5d$3dc51eb0$b94f5c10$@cox.net>, dated Mon, 14 Sep 2015, > Ed Price <edpr...@cox.net> writes: > >> True, the FCC is essentially still following the Communications Act of >> 1934 in its scope. However, telegraph rates aren?t so important >> anymore, while the issue of consumer electronics immunity certainly is. >> We expect our laws and regulations to evolve to address the important >> issues of the day, junking the obsolete and helping with new conflicts. > > It is interesting that the US (ANSI) participates fully in the IEC committees > on immunity, having four experts on each and holding the Convenership of one. > > Immunity is for other people, right?just > -- > OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I > turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M > Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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