Careful with the idea that the US and Canada are ‘fully harmonized’. That simply aint the case. There are a number of things that must be considered for transmitters that are different between the US and Canada. What can be said is that most likely, if you do testing per the Canadian requirements, then the FCC is probably met as well, but not necessarily the other way around.
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From: S Drysdale [mailto:sdd...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:46 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Bluetooth audio product I could fully agree about IC (now calling themselves ISED) As IC/ISED typically only accepts data for RF certification up 1 year past measurement date, it is well worth filing for IC/ISED for Canada at the same time as FCC certification. Even if you are not planning on marketing in Canada now, the 'couple bucks for filing purposes' can save having to re-test down the road. Best Regards, Scott Drysdale Global EMC Labs (Montreal, Canada) OOO - Own Opinion Only On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Rodney Davis <rodney.da...@mitel.com <mailto:rodney.da...@mitel.com> > wrote: And what about Industry Canada, may as well get IC as it is fully harmonized, just another couple bucks for filing purposes and you can expand your market region... Rodney Davis _____ From: Paasche, Dieter <dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com <mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Bluetooth audio product Just to add some information to Michaels very good comments. The R&TTE Directive will be replaced by the new RED directive soon. European member states must apply the Directive requirements from 13 June 2016. For FCC and if you use an approved module (highly recommended) here is a link to the FCC ID search. <https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-id-search-page> https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-id-search-page <https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-id-search-page> <https://www.fcc.gov/general/fcc-id-search-page> FCC ID Search | Federal Communications Commission www.fcc.gov <http://www.fcc.gov> FCC ID numbers consists of two elements, a grantee code and an equipment product code. The FCC ID is assigned to all devices subject to certification. If you use an approved module, make sure you use it as it was certified. Any critical change (Like changing to an antenna with an higher gain) might need re-certification. Sincerely, Dieter Paasche Advanced Product Developer, Electrical CHRISTIE 809 Wellington Street North Kitchener, Ontario N2G 4Y7 Phone: +1 519-744-8005 Ext 7211 <tel:%2B1%20519-744-8005%20Ext%207211> <http://www.christiedigital.com/> www.christiedigital.com This e-mail message (including attachments, if any), is confidential. Any unauthorized use, distribution or disclosure is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail or telephone and delete it and any attachments from your computer system and records. From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:04 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Bluetooth audio product Hello Ian, Your product will now need to meet the R&TTE Directive. No longer will it be the EMCD and LVD. You’ll still need to consider your audio operation during your EMC testing (does my audio still work when I apply EMC tests?), just as you have always done. But now, in addition, you will need to test that the Bluetooth link also continues to work during the EMC tests. The standard to look at there is EN 301 489-17 and it calls up EN 301 489-1. You will need to test the Bluetooth radio performance to an appropriate standard too, such as EN 300 328. EN 300 328, EN 301 489-17 and EN 301 489-1 all come in versions which are harmonised standards, assuming you use the correct version numbers (Vx.x.x, etc.) and you test correctly. (Accredited test lab is not needed, but it might give you confidence) When you have fully applied harmonised standards, you are free to sign your own DoC to the R&TTE Directive and you do not need a Notified Body. For the FCC, you should check in case you are installing a module which is already FCC certified, because the USA does have a modular approvals process. If the Bluetooth module is certified, you can install it with minimal testing effort and no additional radio authorisation. If the Bluetooth is not a module, or it is a module which is not certified, then it will need to be tested and certified. Please let me know if this has given you any answers, or just more questions! Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: micha...@acbcert.com <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Direct phone: (+1) 703 468 1746 <tel:%28%2B1%29%20703%20468%201746> (USA area code) Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 <tel:%28%2B44%29%207939%20880829> (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 <tel:%28%2B1%29%20703%20847%204700> Corporate office fax: USA: (+1) 703 847 6888 <tel:%28%2B1%29%20703%20847%206888> From: McBurney, Ian [mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com <mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com> ] Sent: 09 February 2016 08:44 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Bluetooth audio product Dear Colleagues. I have an audio product that is Powered over Ethernet, has Bluetooth capability and has various audio inputs and outputs. The product can be used in a residential/consumer environment. I am very familiar with testing audio products without wireless capability but this is the first product I have encountered with Bluetooth that requires EMC and safety testing. I believe that when a product has wireless capability that the EMC testing is more formal. For example; am I required to use a notified body as I assume the RED/RTTE directive will apply? Do I have to register the product with the FCC? Please can someone advise me regarding the process for the EU and FCC compliance. Many thanks in advance, Ian McBurney Design & Compliance Engineer. Allen & Heath Ltd. Kernick Industrial Estate, Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK T: 01326 372070 E: <mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com> ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com Allen & Heath Ltd is a registered business in England and Wales, Company number: 4163451. 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