I cannot speak to the FCC requirements, however, I can say that the Industry Canada requirements apply, although they are seldom enforced in the industrial sector. Enforcement is usually done on a complaints basis only.
Doug Nix d...@ieee.org <mailto:d...@ieee.org> > On 18-Feb-16, at 13:04, Crane, Lauren <lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com> wrote: > > There is an intriguing aspect of Michaels original question. He states the > object is an “industrial personal computer in an industrial plant for > measurement purposes.” There seems to be significant ambiguity related to > what “test” means in 15.103c… particularly, is it to mean A. test device for > other equipment (such as an oscilloscope), or B. anything that tests another > object (such as a camera attached to a computer that does dimensional > analysis of work pieces as they pass by) or both? There may even be a third > possibility, and that is C. test in the sense of prototype. > > I have seen A defended as the correct reading because it implies there is > other equipment ‘in the equation’ that might be opened or in a state of > failure when the test equipment is being used and so it make sense to carve > out the exemption. > > I have seen B defended in some contexts by the FCC such as a test noise > source in an anechoic chamber, and I have received FCC guidance by email also > supporting this idea. > > However, I have not been able to find a definitive public guidance statement > from the FCC > > The definition given for test equipment does not resolve the ambiguity – > “Test equipment” is “equipment that is intended primarily for purposes of > performing measurements or scientific investigations [and] includes, but is > not limited to, field strength meters, spectrum analyzers, and modulation > monitors.” > > It also seems important that the language of FCC is in terms of ‘devices’ > more often than ‘products’ or ‘equipment’, thus a product or equipment might > contain several devices each of which must have their particular FCC concerns > addressed. > > Regards, > Lauren Crane > > KLA-Tencor > Public | Unrestricted > > From: Bill Stumpf [mailto:bstu...@dlsemc.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:13 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] 47 CFR Part 15 Subpart B / ICES-003 applicable/mandatory > for an industrial personal computer? > > Dennis is 100% right. The exemption applies exclusively to products which are > industrial, commercial, or medical test equipment. The "test equipment" > classification applies to all of these categories, not only medical devices - > at least this is my interpretation. So if the digital device is not test > equipment, the exemption does not apply. If the exemption applies, it only > pertains to the technical requirements of Part 15. The general operation > requirements of 15.5 always apply. As to the Class A/B application, you have > to look at how the device is marketed. If it is not marketed to the consumer > and is not intended to be used in the home, then Class A applies. > > Bill Stumpf > > > From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com <mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com>] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:06 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] 47 CFR Part 15 Subpart B / ICES-003 applicable/mandatory > for an industrial personal computer? > > In addition to the previous comment I made, it is noted that the FCC defines > ISM equipment as “Equipment or appliances designed to generate and use > locally RF energy for industrial, scientific, medical, domestic or similar > purposes, excluding applications in the field of telecommunication.” So, > unless a digital device meets the exemption requirements 15.103 and if it is > not a piece of test equipment, it is subject to Part 15. Now then you must > look to see if it is Class A or Class B. <> > > > Dennis Ward > This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST > Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the > recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential > and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that > confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify > the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete > it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for > non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made > that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other > defect. Thank you. > > From: dward [mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com <mailto:dw...@pctestlab.com>] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 8:46 AM > To: 'Ted Eckert' <ted.eck...@microsoft.com > <mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com>>; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' > <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>> > Subject: RE: [PSES] 47 CFR Part 15 Subpart B / ICES-003 applicable/mandatory > for an industrial personal computer? > > Several issues. First, 15.123 is not the clause exempting devices it is a > clause referring to labeling of digital ready devices. > > Clause 15.103 is for exemption of devices. So, while it may say exempt, > unintentional radiator devices are still subject to 15.5 and 15.29 with > ‘strong’ recommendation to comply to part 15. (NOTE: 15.5b states “Operation > of an intentional, unintentional, or incidental radiator is subject to the > conditions that no harmful interference is caused and that interference must > be accepted that may be caused by the operation of an authorized radio > station, by another intentional or unintentional radiator, by industrial, > scientific and medical (ISM) equipment, or by an incidental radiator.” > 15.103 main paragraph states, “Although not mandatory, it is strongly > recommended that the manufacturer of an exempted device endeavor to have the > device meet the specific technical standards in this part.” So to say there > are no mandatory EMC requirements is not accurate, as, while being exempt > from any specific technical requirement, they are required NOT to interfere > etc. > > It should also be noted that this exemption is ONLY for test equipment, not > all digital equipment. NOTE: 15.103c says “A digital device used > exclusively as industrial, commercial, or medical test equipment.” It is > not saying a piece of medical test equipment and all other industrial or > commercial equipment. It is saying industrial test equipment, commercial > test equipment or medical test equipment. > > Also, be careful with the concept of fixed in regards exclusive use in these > areas to exemption under 15.103. Exclusive does not mean fixed, it simply > means that it is the ONLY area in which it is used, it means it cannot be > taken out of the industrial, commercial or medical environment. I would > think that test equipment would not be fixed and since the exemption for > digital devices in these areas is for test equipment, I doubt if it means > fixed. > > Thanks > Dennis Ward > This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST > Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the > recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential > and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that > confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify > the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete > it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for > non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made > that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other > defect. Thank you. > > From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com > <mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com>] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:37 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] 47 CFR Part 15 Subpart B / ICES-003 applicable/mandatory > for an industrial personal computer? > > Hello Michael, > > Whether or not EMC requirement apply in North America may depend on whether > the industrial computer is in a fixed location. Digital devices that are part > of industrial equipment are generally exempted. Incorporated devices are > fixed in location and there is a general assumption that the environment is > such that residential radio receivers, such as televisions, will not be > within 3 meters of the equipment. > > A personal computer that has been ruggedized for use in industrial > environments may still be subject to EMC requirements if it is movable. An > industrial laptop, for example, may be used in a factory part of the time and > in an office environment the rest of the time. > > I believe the key word is “exclusively” in the regulation you quoted. For a > device to be exempted, it must be designed and marketed such that it is > reasonably expected it will only be used in industrial environments. > > Best regards, > Ted Eckert > Microsoft Corporation > > The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my > employer. > > > From: loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de <mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de> > [mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de <mailto:loerzer_mob...@globalnorm.de>] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 2:09 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: [PSES] 47 CFR Part 15 Subpart B / ICES-003 applicable/mandatory for > an industrial personal computer? > > Hi, > > I am sorry if my question was answered anytime before. Nevertheless here my > question: > > An European manufacturer has applied EN 61326-1 and EN 61010-1 for an > industrial personal computer in an industrial plant for measurement purposes. > > What are the mandatory requirements regarding EMC in US/Canada? > > Is ICES-003 mandatory for Canada? If not in my understanding ICES-001 is also > not applicable. > Is § 15.123 "exempted devices" (A digital device used exclusively as > industrial, commercial, or medical test equipment.) for US applicable? If > yes, 47 CFR Part 18 is in my opion also not applicable. > > Therefore NO mandatory EMC requirements for equipment which are in the scope > of EN 61326-1 are existing in US/Canada? > > Thanks for comments in advance. > > Michael > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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