I’m not surprised that TUV-SUD (and quite a number of other German, and Norwegian, certification organizations in particular) are seen to be very good in this area because they have been working with many of their opposite numbers in other countries in worldwide regs and certification for far longer (for competitive advantage and financial reasons if no other!) than UL, which only really started working outside the US in the early part of the 21st Century on anything other than providing certification services for the N.American market.
Also, UL is a very large company that is historically “slow footed”, and unimaginative, in reacting to anything new to them (I know that from having worked for UL UK for a few months in around 2005, and I had “discussions” with them about that, and that was one of the reasons that we “parted company”!). FWIW, I think that quite a few of the previously “national market-only dominating” certification organisations suffered the same issues when their main local markets were opened up to significant competition from companies both inside and outside their countries (and that includes BSI in the UK – worked for them several times, and we “parted company” on the last occasion for roughly the same reasons as I later left UL!). John E Allen W. London,UK. From: David K Bell [mailto:davidkbell...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 December 2016 16:37 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] UL Go? I have found TÜV SÜD to have the most comprehensive resource for Global Market Access: http://www.tuv-sud.com/activity/global-market-access They have a webpage for each country, as well as a 190 page downloadable guide, "Quick Access to Global Markets". They have a research team in China that backs up GMA Managers in Peabody, MA, San Diego, CA, New Brighton, MN and Fareham, UK. David K. Bell Senior Regulatory Compliance Engineer Milestone AV Technologies On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Kortas, Jamison <jamison.kor...@ecolab.com> wrote: So, the question then becomes, for the many of us who have more work that people, who are your trusted go-to partners for help on requirements, interpretations (legal or otherwise), and execution on behalf of your company? I am always on the lookout for good help as well as best practices and benchmarking opportunities. Thanks, Jamison From: Pete Perkins [mailto:00000061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 6:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] UL Go? Peter et al, I also have some not so fulfilling experience with UL GMA. Seems to me it is rather a less expensive lottery-ticket option to using this service. Not to say that GMA hasn’t learned a thing or two in chasing country requirements as time goes along. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <tel:(503)%20452-1201> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Peter Tarver [mailto:ptar...@enphaseenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 4:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] UL Go? My experience to date is that UL only has knowledge being advertised below for only specific product categories/countries/markets. I have witnessed/heard claims of expertise that when it comes time to take action, they know less than the client does. When asked to provide a list of competencies relative to several countries’ requirements for grid compliance of distributed generators, we received an exorbitant quote for UL to research their own capabilities. I have been less than impressed so far with such claims of aid, so I’m reluctant to entertain a subscription service. Peter Tarver From: Kortas, Jamison [mailto:jamison.kor...@ecolab.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 09:04 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] UL Go? Has anyone taken a look at this? It was just sent to me by my UL representative. Here is the text, as I do not think I can send an attachment: UL-Go For more information, contact us today at <mailto:g...@ul.com> g...@ul.com What is UL-Go? UL-Go is an online subscription service created to solve your problems for finding current, correct and complete Global Market Access (GMA) regulatory requirements that apply to your products for the countries you’re selling or wish to sell to. What GMA Information is provided in UL-Go? In partnership with UL, UL-Go can be customized to meet your company’s specific needs. • This means you tell us the products, countries and regulations you want access to, and we’ll provide you with in-effect regulations (updated quarterly) as well as updates on developing requirements.* • We provide you with the expertly organized information you’ll need to understand the impacts each regulation has on your product, country by country. Is UL-Go a new Service Offering? Yes, UL-Go is a pilot product launched with comprehensive regulatory information and great features and functionality. As a pilot participant, you can help us develop UL-Go in a way that will deliver even more value to you! 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