You don’t need to go to Wikipedia. Apparently, the laws of Australia are permitted to contradict the laws of mathematics. Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has asked software companies to provide a backdoor into their operating systems for the Australian government to use. Security experts informed him that the laws of mathematics guaranteed that any backdoor open to a government could be used by hackers. The PM seemed convinced that this was incorrect.
He stated “The laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.” The full press release is here.<https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2017-07-14/press-conference-attorney-general-senator-hon-george-brandis-qc-and-acting> Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer or the government of Austrialia From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 2:07 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe Actually, I think if you go to Wikipedia and re-write the laws of physics, it could be anything you want. :) Best, Doug From: jmw1...@btinternet.com<mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com> Sent: August 7, 2017 2:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Reply-to: jmw1...@btinternet.com<mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe Unless the European Commission has changed the square-root of 3, the system is 127/220. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jmwa.demon.co.uk%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C8716f9df7f984f991b2708d4ddd848e7%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636377368385121335&sdata=GTHOBVkbE9RVuQ8B0ObRd%2BaHJrbMGpQ0rNeA1FLqQfE%3D&reserved=0> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Carpentier Kristiaan [mailto:kristiaan.carpent...@technicolor.com] Sent: 07 August 2017 20:52 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe That’s correct John, and some old houses still have 127/230 (Belgium). My home has now 400/230 Y thus with Neutral. Best regards Kris Carpentier, From: john Allen [mailto:000009cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: maandag 7 augustus 2017 21:39 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe ** WARNING: This mail is from an external source ** John W I think you are probably correct, but I also seem to remember that – many years ago – some parts some parts of Europe used a 127V/230V Star/Wye system. John E Allen W. London, UK From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 07 August 2017 20:25 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe You are quite right; the household supply is 230/400V. I suspect that the product description is wrong. 133/230 V isn’t used anywhere in the world, I think. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jmwa.demon.co.uk%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C8716f9df7f984f991b2708d4ddd848e7%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636377368385121335&sdata=GTHOBVkbE9RVuQ8B0ObRd%2BaHJrbMGpQ0rNeA1FLqQfE%3D&reserved=0> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 07 August 2017 19:50 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] 230V 3-phase in Europe Greetings. Sorry if this is a stupid question (I’ve asked more than I’m allowed, I’m sure), but in Europe, is there 230 volt 3-phase (230 volt line to line)? I thought 230 volt single phase was derived from 380V 3-phase (230V from Line to Neutral). I see a 230V 3-phase saw with a CE marking and I was wondering if this product can actually be used in Europe. Thanks for any info. 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