Scott was asking about the RED and CE Mark; the bit about mains plugs was an example of 'in some countries'.
The mains voltage is 230 V +/-10 % across all of EU and EFTA, but it does tend to be lower in former 220 V countries and higher in Great Britain (not UK, because Northern Ireland was on 230 V before harmonization). The CE Mark is about customs regulations, not about whether a product can be used in a country. You can freely ship UK products, with UK mains plugs, from Poland through Germany and France, even though they can't legally be used in those countries. I often get up to 249 V! With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Beware averages! They hide or discard data, and may distort it (them?). -----Original Message----- From: Pete Perkins [mailto:peperkin...@cs.com] Sent: 15 August 2017 17:57 To: 'John Woodgate' <jmw1...@btinternet.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Cc: 'Scott Xe' <scott...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Mark Scott, John et al, My take on Scott's question is one that is being asked more routinely these days as the IoT spreads to many more product types. Within the EU there are two principle operating zones: UK at 240V and the rest of the EU at 220V. Attachment plugs and sockets are unique between these two so the power cord and plug and associated electrical are normally customized for each market (not as much an issue for electronic power supplies). Additionally, the inclusion of an Inet connexion complicates the certification as the RED is now invoked. IT is clear that the usual safety requirements/standards for a lot of equipment have not yet fully harmonized across these differences and the manufacturer falls into the dilemma Scott references; products with a UK plug cannot be used in Euro socket countries nor vice-versa. There may be other restrictive issues for other products, e.g. motor driven appliances. In the end most manufacturers work to design a single product and adapt it to each market area. This has been straightforward for electronic products for many years as the standards have worked to provide for these differences in connexion, etc within the standards. This seems more difficult moving ahead as the standards have not anticipated these changes. Scott seems to be referring to something like a remote power tap with IoT that will require UK plugs (with their unique certification requirements) or Euro plugs (with their own certification requirements). This seems like a case for restricting the use because of the plugs and sockets. The same comments could be made for smart refrigerators or any other common appliance. So, I agree, the CE marking is required in each case even tho the product use is limited by such features. This all has brought plenty of confusion; all of the needed standards are not yet included in the OJ listing (and it may never be complete because of the opportunity to apply IoT radios to so many devices). Manufacturers and test houses will be working ahead of the Euro bureaucrats and their 'official' lists for some time it appears. Scott's dilemma is not unique and manufacturers are going to have to make reasonable interpretations and push the EU bureaucrats to formalize their requirements to include these reasonable interpretations. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:58 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Mark The RED calls up the CE Mark Directive. The RED is a free download, so you need have no trouble in studying it. I would even send it to you if the list allowed attachments, but it doesn't. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Beware averages! They hide or discard data, and may distort it (them?). -----Original Message----- From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 August 2017 16:40 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Mark Hi Charlie, “The product should be CE marked to the RED - a product may be CE marked to the RED provided that it can be used in at least one member state” It is a requirement of RED, not CE Mark? Thanks and regards, Scott On 15/8/2017, 11:00 PM, "Charlie Blackham" <char...@sulisconsultants.com> wrote: Scott The product should be CE marked to the RED - a product may be CE marked to the RED provided that it can be used in at least one member state The information to the user should be provided on the packaging as detailed below The "alert mark", which is (!), as used under the R&TTE Directive should NOT be placed after the CE mark as this is not part of the RED Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.com Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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