A specific target would typically be 'less than 1/3 of the value known to just provoke trouble'.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
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On 2018-04-08 04:25, Ken Javor wrote:
Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question If the answer to how much ripple is too much, or how little ripple is good enough is in all cases, “it depends,” then does that mean that the pursuit of power integrity has a purely functional pass/fail criteria; i.e., that the unit operates properly, as opposed to a specific target on ripple level?

Ken Javor
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*Date: *Sat, 7 Apr 2018 17:58:36 +0100
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*Subject: *Re: [PSES] Power Integrity Question



I don't think that there is a general rule that doesn't have so many exceptions as to be useless. Even a 'simple' audio power amplifier can show this. A conventional linear amplifier can have very good PSRR (power supply rejection ratio) but a Class D amplifier has zero dB PSRR - none at all.


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J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> <http://www.woodjohn.uk>
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2018-04-07 17:41, Ken Javor wrote:


    Power Integrity Question There are many learned
    books/papers/discussions on how to achieve proper power integrity
    by way of proper PCB layout and proper capacitor decoupling
    techniques, but what is the goal?  I don't mean the functional
    goal, which is obvious, but rather what is the metric?  Is it
    ripple voltage peak-to-peak, maximum excursion, minimum excursion,
    some rms value, or...?

     This question is decoupled from achieving PI for the purpose of
    controlling radiated emissions: just asking how close to pure
    unadulterated dc a dc rail must be in order to be considered
    properly functional.

     Understand the answer will be different for an analog rail vs. a
    digital one, and for different digital rails, but appreciate
    insight into what constitutes acceptable power quality for all dc
    rails used in a typical piece of electronics.

     Thank you,

     Ken Javor
     Phone: (256) 650-5261


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