Hi Ian, When you used the isolation transformer how did you have the earth connected or isolated?
I have seen similar issues, I used an isolation transformer but connected the earth or used a separate earth connection, I think I remember this solved it. You could try finding the source of the noise, how certain are you that the LISN is not faulty? Normally they filter out emissions very well, could it be the LISN is faulty and passing the noise through or creating the noise it the first place? Can you run a set up to look at how noisy your mains supply is without any product connected to it? regards Darren. On Friday, 27 April 2018, 9:11, "McBurney, Ian" <ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com> wrote: <!--#yiv4618276205 _filtered #yiv4618276205 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4618276205 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv4618276205 #yiv4618276205 p.yiv4618276205MsoNormal, #yiv4618276205 li.yiv4618276205MsoNormal, #yiv4618276205 div.yiv4618276205MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv4618276205 a:link, #yiv4618276205 span.yiv4618276205MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4618276205 a:visited, #yiv4618276205 span.yiv4618276205MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4618276205 p.yiv4618276205msonormal0, #yiv4618276205 li.yiv4618276205msonormal0, #yiv4618276205 div.yiv4618276205msonormal0 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;}#yiv4618276205 span.yiv4618276205EmailStyle19 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv4618276205 span.yiv4618276205EmailStyle20 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv4618276205 span.yiv4618276205EmailStyle22 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv4618276205 .yiv4618276205MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv4618276205 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv4618276205 div.yiv4618276205WordSection1 {}-->Hello Ari. I’m considering hiring an ac source to power the LISN but my only concern would be that the ac source has high conducted rf emissions as I assume the ac is derived from high frequency switching power devices. regards Ian McBurney Lead Compliance Engineer. Allen & Heath Ltd. Kernick Industrial Estate, Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK T: 01326 372070 E: ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com From: Ari Honkala [mailto:ari.honk...@sesko.fi] Sent: 26 April 2018 17:22 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements As an interim solution, until you get the source fixed, would be to use UPS on battery. with best regards, Ari Honkala From: McBurney, Ian [mailto:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com] Sent: torstai 26. huhtikuuta 2018 13:33 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Mains Conducted rf emissions measurements Dear Colleagues. I am setting up a mains conducted rf emissions measuring system and am experiencing excessive mains noise when connecting the LISN to the 240V wall socket. The noise affects my measurements between 150kHz to 400KHz. Beyond that and up to 30MHz I am satisfied. Is there a way of filtering out this noise. I have tried various EMI mains filter modules but none appear to attenuate enough at that frequency band. They are very good at attenuating frequencies beyond 1MHz. I have tried inserting an isolation transformer before the LISN but this appears to distort the measurements. Can anyone recommend a solution? Many thanks in advance. Ian McBurney Lead Compliance Engineer. Allen & Heath Ltd. Kernick Industrial Estate, Penryn, Cornwall. TR10 9LU. UK T: 01326 372070 E:ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com Allen & Heath Ltd is a registered business in England and Wales, Company number: 4163451. 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