Absolutely. The solar array interconnect is an antenna for both RE and RS. The point is that for RE to happen, there has to be fast switching of current as a load on the array. The array itself into a resistive load is entirely dc.
Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: "Martin, Charles R (BHGE)" <charles.mar...@bhge.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:21:56 +0000 To: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com>, "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Conversation: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel Subject: RE: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel Ken, You mentioned ³the array wiring can radiate if the current is switched fast enough², couldn¹t that also pick noise from other RF sources, as in Radiated Immunity? Thanks, Charlie From: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 1:09 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: EXT: Re: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel It¹s likely way more complex in space than a simple panel on earth generating something like 12 Vdc, but in space they connect various strings in parallel and series and shift the connections based on the load and impinging light as a spacecraft orbits the earth. Plus, in some cases a control system draws current from the cells in bursts, not steady state. So while the solar arrays generate dc or a very slowly varying dc potential, the array wiring can radiate if the current is switched fast enough. We check for that sort of thing on spacecraft, but note that the kind of light shining on the array has no bearing whatsoever on EMI emissions associated with the array. As long as you¹re getting enough light on t e array to generate the required power, you¹re good-to-go for EMI testing. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: DEREK WALTON <lfresea...@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:28:43 -0600 To: Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> Cc: EMC-PSTC <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel Hi All, I totally agree with Ken, folks are totally trying to over think this. Just shine incandescents so the inventor can run. The panel will not generate any noise. Cheers, Derek Walton. > On Feb 14, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Ken Javor <ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> wrote: > > Re: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel > OK, but why? It¹s an EMI test, not a test of solar array performance. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > From: Edward Price <e...@jwjelp.com> > Reply-To: Edward Price <e...@jwjelp.com> > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:36:53 +0000 > To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Conversation: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel > Subject: Re: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel > > Ken: > > I got the impression from the original question that the solar panel was > integrated with an inverter. That means that there might be coupling > interactions between the inverter circuitry and the solar panel array > conductors and/or the solar panel support structure. Indeed, the whole solar > panel might be radiating noise that is backing up from the inverter. > > Ken, do you recall what type of light source they used to use for those > high-vacuum chambers that were used to simulate a true space environment for > satellites? Those lights would have an optimal light spectral characteristic. > Chuck might want to see if he can access one of those facilities; they could > do a solar exposure inside a shielded volume, and they wouldn¹t have to pull a > vacuum. > > Maybe somebody in the solar panel industry has set up an RF shielded enclosure > dedicated to solar panel testing. I could imagine about a two-foot diameter > Solar Tube equivalent device, fitted at the top with a sun-tracking heliostat, > directing the sunlight through a honeycomb filter enclosure penetration and > onto the solar panel EUT. > > > > Ed Price > WB6WSN > Chula Vista, CA USA > > > From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:54 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel > > I am well aware that an incandescent light bulb doesn¹t emit the same spectral > signature as received from the sun. > > But the test is not about the detailed performance of the solar panel, but > only that the device-under-test runs off electricity generated by the solar > panel. Unless the EMI signature somehow depends on the type of light impinging > on the panels, as opposed to a nominal electric output from the panels, it > would seem that any electrically quiet light source would suffice. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > From: Scott Aldous <00000220f70c299a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > Reply-To: Scott Aldous <scottald...@google.com> > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 08:27:27 -0800 > To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel > > Hi Ken, > > A 500W incandescent light will give you some voltage/current from your solar > panel, but it won't be representative of actual sunlight if this is important > to your test. The spectrum (or energy) for artificial light will not be the > same as the spectrum of sunlight. UL 1703 makes reference to a few different > standards, including ASTM E927 <https://www.astm.org/Standards/E927.htm> , > which describes performance requirements for a solar simulator > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_simulator> . IEC 60904-9 > <https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/3880> does the same. Here > <http://www.eternalsun.com/industries/certification/> is an example of a > solar simulator manufacturer claiming that their product is appropriate for PV > cert testing, including for IEC 61215 > <https://webstore.iec.ch/preview/info_iec61215-1%7Bed1.0%7Db.pdf> . This is > very likely overkill for what you need to do, but you should be aware of the > limitations of using a common incandescent. > > IEC 62920:2017 covers PCE (power conversion equipment, i.e. the inverter), but > not the modules themselves so I don't believe it has guidance on an artificial > light source. > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 2:09 AM John Woodgate <j...@woodjohn.uk> wrote: > > > > CISPR 11:2015 CSV covers radiation. IEC 62920:2017 is also needed. > > > Best wishes > John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only > J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> > <http://www.woodjohn.uk> <http://www.woodjohn.uk> <http://www.woodjohn.uk/> > Rayleigh, Essex UK > > On 2019-02-14 03:36, Ken Javor wrote: > > > Waited to see if anyone would answer and didn¹t see any answers, so what > about a 500 W work light? They are incandescent. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > > > > > From: "Grasso, Charles" <charles.gra...@dish.com> > <mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com> > Reply-To: "Grasso, Charles" <charles.gra...@dish.com> > <mailto:charles.gra...@dish.com> > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 21:29:42 +0000 > To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Conversation: Testing a product with that uses a solar panel > Subject: [PSES] Testing a product with that uses a solar panel > > Hello, > > I need to test a solar panel powered product for Radiated Emissions. The > solar panel > is integrated with the electronics. Does anyone have any ideas on how to > have the panel > function when testing in a chamber? > > I am looking at you test labs!! > > Thanks! > > Charles Grasso > W: 303-706-5467 > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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