Thank you all
The summary is that as AS/NZS 62368-1 is a standard defined by ACMA for radio
equipment, we will test for this standard, additionally tested for EN 61010-1
Telecommunications (Customer Equipment Safety) Technical Standard 2018
(legislation.gov.au)<https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2018L01725/Explanatory%20Statement/Text>
Perhaps in the future it will good to test an industrial controller with radio
communication only for EN 62368-1 as a safety standard. Any one has a concern
about this?
Thank you
Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez
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Subject: RE: [PSES] Australia: IEC 62368-1 or IEC 61010-1 for controller with
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Daniel, The world gets more complicated by the day. This is both the exciting
technologically challenging part of this work as well as the difficult,
slogging regulatory stuff, too.
Historically, 40 years ago, 61010 & 60950 (now 62368) were
designed by folks working in overlapping businesses who understood that these
two standards were aimed at providing safe electronic equipment (contrasted to
electrical equipment). 61010 for commercial and industrial electronic
equipment and 60950/62368 for consumer & commercial electronic equipment. The
products used the same components and techniques in the design for products so
the requirements needed to be the same. At the time there was consideration of
making this one standard for all this equipment but this was a bridge too far.
Today, electronics have been incorporated in many products, the
term IoT (Internet of Things) describes this phenomenon well.
Now this leaves us with a couple of choices; everything
electronic goes into one or two standards or electronic devices are accepted in
all product standards. For the latter there has to be consideration as to the
additional issues arising from the electronic portions, including the radio.
I believe that the there needs to be the latitude to include
complex digital electronic systems in any product. in addition to the usual
electronic controls and displays used, electronic motor controllers (VSDs) are
becoming more popular in consumer equipment. If the product standards are too
slow to incorporate the needed safeguards for these electronic systems then it
is not unreasonable to apply other requirements for them (think 61010 or 62368)
but this should be the exception. I would believe. This is a messy solution
tho.
I have worked on a 'smart Relocatable Power Tap', an IoT combination which was
to be certified to North American and European CB safety standards (specific
outlet sockets for each market). There was considerable negotiation with the
safety test lab to get them to cooperate between their internal groups on the
evaluation and ensure that any needed test was only run once. The project
covered the power delivery requirements as well as the electronic systems
(including the radio) and, altho complex, went pretty well after that.
The EMC evaluation was straightforward, the RED evaluation was comprehensive
covering all the needed requirements.
It would seem to me that you have properly evaluated your device and the radio
requirements should not bring about a separate evaluation. Are you prepared to
defend your position in that regard?
In your Australian case, this can only be clarified by the AU
authorities who need to explain what they mean by the requirement.
Perhaps, when this is resolved, you can provide all of us with
an update as to how it is resolved.
:>) br, Pete
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Subject: [PSES] Australia: IEC 62368-1 or IEC 61010-1 for controller with radio
Good day to all!!
We have a industrial controller with radio capabilities (4G, Wi-Fi) that is
tested for IEC 61010-1:2010.
1.Related to safety do we need to test for IEC 62368-1? According to the below
ACMA Telecommunication Labelling Notice is required
2.If we have the radio modules approved for that standard, can we use that for
compliance evidence?
It is confusing for me that we test the equipment for two different safety
standards (IEC 61010-1 and IEC 62368-1). Normally we are using IEC 61010-1 for
a controller and now Australia requires also IEC 62368-1
Thank you for your answer if you are able to support!!
IEC 62368-1 will only become mandatory in Australia when called up under the
ACMA's Telecommunications Labelling Notice. It will eventually address
requirements for acoustic safety which are currently under development within
the IEC. Until such time the applicable Australian acoustic safety requirements
will remain in AS/ACIF S004 and AS/CA S042.1
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Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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