Of course, I think we all understand, or at least I hope so, that artificial intelligence cannot replace real humans in the world of product safety engineering. My previous email was intended to jokingly point out its shortcomings. And I had thought this would be obvious.
As for the future of artificial intelligence, I personally think there is still a very long way to go. Keeping that in mind, all the different AIs, not just ChatGPT, Bard, AI Writer, and Perplexity, were trained on limited information, mostly from the WWW. A good friend of mine once described the WWW as the world's largest repository of unqualified information (thanks, Brian H). Last time I checked, ChatGPT-3 had a large training size of 570 GB. ChatGPT-4 is apparently trained on about five times more than that and is still ongoing. Although this is massive, it is certainly not all that is available on the Internet or in the rest of the world's libraries. The last time I checked, the available data on the WWW is measured in exabytes (EB), and the annual transfer of data is in the range of zettabytes (ZB), with much of this contained within daily email and streaming media. Even so, all this AI training is based on dated information, which means it has no capacity for innovation whatsoever. Even today, a close friend who is a professor of astrophysics is part of an effort to understand when students who may be taking tests or writing theses may be using AI to produce their answers. This is even making software-based plagiarism detection, currently used by our universities, very difficult. -Doug (Note: This email was written with the assistance of AI-based plagiarism detection, summarization, and authoring tools) Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA doug...@gmail.com LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> (UTC -06:00, US-MDT) On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 7:27 AM Elliott Martinson <emartin...@borgindak.com> wrote: > ChatGPT is not “artificial intelligence”. It’s a “word calculator” IMO and > I have a strong CS background. > > > > *From:* Vincent Lee <000008e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:45 AM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards > for safety > > > > Hi all, > > > > ChatGPT is NOT specifically designed for product safety purposes. > > It can only give very general results, then it is the job of product > safety professionals to add the missing details. > > > > In my work, I don't use ChatGPT, since it is not a tool designed for > product safety which is a highly specialized engineering field. > > In my view, ChatGPT is a toy to ask for very general questions. It cannot > replace product safety professionals. Moreover, who is going to be > responsible if a product fails and causes harms to users when one used the > test plan generated by ChatGPT ? > > > > Regards, Vincent > > > > > > On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 03:15:19 AM GMT+8, Douglas Powell < > doug...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Aside from all the news articles about problems with ChatGPT, I've tried a > few things myself. For example, "*write a complete test protocol for IEC > 62368-1 for a desktop audio streaming amplifier weighing less than 7 kg.* > " > > > > Of course, gave me a fairtly detailed but generally incomplete responses > under these topic headings. > > > > 1. Objective: > > 2. Test Equipment: > > 3. Test Setup: > > 4. Test Procedures: > > 4.1.2. Lifting Test: > > 4.2.1. Ground Continuity Test: > > 4.2.2. Insulation Resistance Test: > > 4.2.3. Dielectric Voltage-Withstand Test: > > 4.3.1. Audio Performance Test: > > 4.3.2. Power Consumption Test: > > 4.4. Environmental Tests (if applicable): > > 5. Test Criteria: > > 6. ... *after this point it was left blank ...* > > > > In fun example is the 4.1.2 Lifting Test, it specified: "Apply a force of > 200 N in the upward direction" > > > > -Doug > > > > > > Douglas E Powell > > Laporte, Colorado USA > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/coloradocomplianceguy/> > > > > (UTC -06:00, US-MDT) > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Chuck August-McDowell < > chu...@meyersound.com> wrote: > > Friday’s attempt at humor… > > So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the standard draft? > > > > > > Chuck in Berkeley > > > > *From:* Vincent Lee <000008e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:05 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO > standards for safety > > > > [THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER] > > Huff, > > > > No national nor international is available yet. > > > > AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety. > > And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were AI winter > in 1980s - 1990s. > > > > Regards, Vincent > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff < > dh...@vermeer.com> wrote: > > > > > > All, > > I am working to guide a design that uses Artificial Intelligence and > machine vision thru a certification type process (CE Mark) and I am looking > for ISO or IEC standards or similar related guidance. 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