I thought the EMCD would be sufficient for radio and television receivers. To include them within scope of the RED seems an overreach.
From: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2023 12:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Radio receivers under RED? Yes Television and radio receivers are within scope of RED 😊 (they weren’t under R&TTE) <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> @Amund Westin – you should be careful determining whether your item is “test equipment” or “radio equipment” – wideband spectrum monitoring equipment which can receive and determine some information from the received signal then it would be “radio equipment” under RED Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Ralph McDiarmid <rmm.priv...@gmail.com <mailto:rmm.priv...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2023 12:23 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Radio receivers under RED? Yes Given the reasoning you propose, your spectrum analyser, as an unintentional radiator, should be out of scope of the RED. If it were, then all television and radio receivers would also fall under the RED. From: Amund Westin <am...@westin-emission.no <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> > Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 10:51 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] Radio receivers under RED? Yes Hi Charlie I was made aware that in the RED Guide, there is something about equipment that does not fall under the RED. 1.6.3.3 Products that use electromagnetic waves exclusively for other purposes than radio communication and/or radiodetermination Products and applications that use electromagnetic waves exclusively for other purposes than radio communication and/or radiodetermination (products that propagate electromagnetic waves in space, but this propagation is not intended and not used for the purpose of radio communication or radiodetermination.) are not covered by the RED, for example: inductive warming and heating appliances; pure wireless power transfer (without any communication or radiodetermination); high frequency surgical equipment and systems; cookware suitable for inductive heating appliances; test equipment if intended to use radio waves, exclusively, for testing other devices (18) Footnote 18: Needs to be assessed on a case-by-case basis, in order to determine if a specific type of test equipment is covered (or not covered) by the RED. The product in this case is a receiver-only product (with an external antenna connected) and its main purpose is to analyze a received signal from another radio (VHF/UHF) product. So, it is a professional test / analyze radio receiver equipment. It can be compared to a portable spectrum analyzer with an external dipole antenna connected. With this additional information, do you think we are still within RED or are we now outside RED? ….. Best regards Amund Fra: Charlie Blackham Sendt: 5. september 2023 09:35 Til: Amund Westin <am...@westin-emission.no <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> >; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Emne: RE: [PSES] Radio receivers under RED? Yes Amund Yes, receivers are within scope of RED as they meet the definition of “radio equipment” in article 2: ‘radio equipment’ means an electrical or electronic product, which intentionally emits and/or receives radio waves for the purpose of radio communication and/or radiodetermination, or an electrical or electronic product which must be completed with an accessory, such as antenna, so as to intentionally emit and/or receive radio waves for the purpose of radio communication and/or radiodetermination; Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Amund Westin <am...@westin-emission.no <mailto:am...@westin-emission.no> > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 7:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Radio receivers under RED? Yes I think we have discussed this topic previous, but I can’t find the email tread. But I assume it is the fact the equipment that even only receive, will anyway be included under RED. In this case, it’s a radio receiver measurement device with whip antenna mounted and that receives in the VHF/UHF range. >From RED text, page 2: (11) Although receivers do not themselves cause harmful interference, reception capabilities are an increasingly important factor in ensuring the efficient use of radio spectrum by way of an increased resilience of receivers against harmful interference and unwanted signals on the basis of the relevant essential requirements of Union harmonisation legislation. Thanks! BR Amund _____ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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