Gentlemen, ChatGPT is not a research tool. It hallucinates wildly because it is optimized to give a response to the user.
Do not use ChatGPT as a research tool unless you want to be mislead. There are many many other, better tools for this purpose. Doug Nix d...@mac.com "The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read these books." Mark Twain > On Oct 8, 2023, at 11:55, Ralph McDiarmid <rmm.priv...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree that tools like ChatGPT have a long way to go before their response > can be trusted without question, but the response below is from the free > version. The $20 a month version might provide a clearer answer. I use > ChatGPT as a starting point for topics I have some familiarity with, then I > drill down on the details. > > I asked ChatGPT “under what conditions should I not apply the CE Mark ?”, and > it answered: > > ===================================================================================== > The CE mark is a certification mark that indicates conformity with health, > safety, and environmental protection standards for products sold within the > European Economic Area (EEA). It demonstrates that a product complies with > the relevant EU directives and regulations. However, there are certain > conditions or situations where you should not apply the CE mark: > Non-conforming products: If your product does not meet the essential > requirements or standards specified by the relevant EU directives or > regulations, you should not apply the CE mark. It is essential to ensure that > your product complies with all applicable requirements before affixing the CE > mark. > Non-covered products: Some products or product categories may not be covered > by specific EU directives or regulations, and therefore, the CE mark may not > be applicable to them. Always check whether your product falls under any > relevant EU legislation before considering the CE mark. > Self-declaration without applicable legislation: In some cases, a > manufacturer may incorrectly self-declare conformity and affix the CE mark to > a product without any applicable EU directive or regulation. This is not > allowed, and the CE mark should only be applied when there is clear and > relevant legislation to comply with. > Non-EEA sales: The CE mark is primarily intended for products intended for > sale within the EEA. If your product is not intended for the EEA market, > applying the CE mark may not be necessary. However, you should comply with > the regulatory requirements of the specific market where you intend to sell > your product. > Unauthorized use: The CE mark should only be applied by manufacturers or > authorized representatives who have fulfilled the necessary conformity > assessment procedures and legal obligations. Unauthorized use of the CE mark > is not allowed and can result in legal consequences. > False or misleading information: Providing false or misleading information, > documentation, or test results to obtain the CE mark is illegal and should > not be done under any circumstances. > > It's crucial to consult with regulatory authorities, experts, or legal > counsel knowledgeable about the specific product and its applicable > regulations to ensure compliance with CE marking requirements. Incorrectly > applying the CE mark can lead to legal consequences, including fines and > product recalls. > ================================================================================== > > Ralph > > From: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2023 1:17 AM > To: rmm.priv...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: RE: [PSES] AW: [PSES] Directives that require the CE Marking > > A nice example of why ChatGPT won’t put us all out of a job just yet 😊 > > Point 9 is wrong – you may not use the CE mark to demonstrate compliance with > a “non CE marking” Directive, that is one that does not contain the provision > for CE marking within its Articles or Annexes > > Point 3 does not make it clear that the Directive also includes products that > are “likely, under reasonably foreseeable conditions, to be used by consumers > even if not intended for them” – an example of this would be something like a > corporate branded battery pack phone charger which is supplied only on a B2B > basis, but is likely to be taken home by the recipient > > Best regards > Charlie > > Charlie Blackham > Sulis Consultants Ltd > Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 > Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ > Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 > > From: Ralph McDiarmid <rmm.priv...@gmail.com <mailto:rmm.priv...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Friday, October 6, 2023 10:59 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] Directives that require the CE Marking > > Here’s what ChatGPT told me about this directive: > > The General Product Safety Directive (2001/95/EC) in the European Union (EU) > is a legal framework designed to ensure the safety of consumer products > placed on the EU market. It sets out general requirements for the safety of > products, regardless of whether specific product safety regulations exist for > them. Here are key aspects of the General Product Safety Directive (GPSD): > Scope: The GPSD applies to all consumer products, excluding food, > pharmaceuticals, medical devices, cosmetics, and chemicals, which are covered > by other specific regulations. > Safety Requirement: The primary objective of the GPSD is to ensure that > products placed on the market are safe for consumers when used under normal > or reasonably foreseeable conditions. Manufacturers and distributors have an > obligation to provide safe products. > Definition of Consumer Products: The directive defines "consumer products" > broadly to encompass any product intended for consumers, including both new > and second-hand products. > Obligations of Economic Operators: Economic operators, including > manufacturers, importers, and distributors, must ensure that products they > place on the market are safe. They are responsible for assessing and managing > risks, monitoring product safety, and taking corrective actions if safety > issues arise. > Traceability: Economic operators must be able to trace the origin of the > products they handle and, if necessary, inform the relevant authorities and > consumers about safety issues or recalls. > Rapid Alert System: The GPSD establishes a Rapid Alert System for Non-Food > (RAPEX) to facilitate the rapid exchange of information about dangerous > products among EU member states and the European Commission. This system > helps to ensure that dangerous products are quickly removed from the market. > Market Surveillance: EU member states are responsible for carrying out market > surveillance activities to ensure compliance with the GPSD. They can take > measures such as conducting inspections, ordering recalls, or imposing fines > for non-compliance. > Cooperation with Other EU Legislation: The GPSD complements other EU product > safety regulations, such as the Toy Safety Directive or the Machinery > Directive. In cases where specific product safety legislation exists, that > legislation takes precedence. > CE Marking: While the GPSD does not require products to bear the CE marking > (a conformity marking indicating compliance with EU safety standards), > manufacturers may choose to use it to demonstrate compliance with the > directive. > Harmonized Standards: Manufacturers can use harmonized European standards to > demonstrate compliance with the GPSD's safety requirements. > The General Product Safety Directive plays a crucial role in protecting > consumers within the EU by establishing a baseline level of safety for a wide > range of consumer products. It encourages manufacturers and other economic > operators to ensure that their products are safe for use and allows for swift > action in the event of safety concerns. It is important to note that the GPSD > is subject to updates and amendments to align with changing safety > requirements and technological advancements. > > Ralph > > From: Dürrer Bernd <bernd.duer...@wilo.com <mailto:bernd.duer...@wilo.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 6:44 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: [PSES] AW: [PSES] Directives that require the CE Marking > > Hello Brian, > > in lack of any more specific EU Directive, a product will be in the scope of > the General Product Safety Directive 2001/95/EC (Consolidated TEXT: > 32001L0095 — EN — 01.01.2010 (europa.eu) > <https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02001L0095-20100101#tocId3>) > that covers any product intended for consumers. As far as I know, the GPSD > does neither require a CE Declaration of Conformity, nor CE marking on the > product. An overview of EU Directives and applicable harmonized standards may > be found at Harmonised Standards (europa.eu) > <https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/single-market/european-standards/harmonised-standards_en>. > > Is the product intended to be permanently connected to a potable water > supply? If yes, national regulations of EU member countries may apply. > > Kind regards, > > Bernd > > Von: Brian Kunde <bkundew...@gmail.com <mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. September 2023 15:31 > An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Betreff: [PSES] Directives that require the CE Marking > > [EXTERNAL E-MAIL] This email originated from outside of the organization. Do > not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender. > I have a non-electrical benchtop product that holds a piece of sandpaper > while slowly running water over the sandpaper. The only connection to this > product is a water supply at normal water supply pressure. The User holds > the item they want to sand in their hand and rubs it back and forth on the > sandpaper. It is as simple as that. > > Is there an EU Directive that covers this type of product and if so, is the > Directive part of the CE Scheme? I don't think there is but I am not > familiar with all of the EU Directives. > > > So why am I asking? Believe it or not, some Sales and Marketing types like > to see the CE Marking on products. They feel it makes things sell better and > it avoids uneducated customers from asking why there is no CE marking on the > product. > > Thanks for any advice, ideas, information, or suggestions. > The Other Brian > > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. 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