Hi All,

Has anyone know if the Ubuntu 9.04 will run mesa 5i20 successfully.

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Howard

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> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:18:23 -0500
> From: Chris Radek <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths
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> On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:53:04PM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >   I have asked this before but with the EMC2 machines breeding in my shop
> I
> > want to get this implemented.
> >   I want to have a variable (in the .var file?) that will allow me to set
> > positive tool lengths using a tool set block on the table surface. I want
> to
> > be able to match the tool lengths the machine sets to the tool lengths
> our
> > tool set machine measures. The variable would be a constant that is
> compared
> > to the axis position to calculate the tool length from the imaginary gage
> > point. I have a 50 taper tool set standard I can put in the spindle to
> > determine the gage point very accurately.
> >   Our 5 axis mills that have 5 axis tool length compensation need and use
> > positive tool lengths in the TLO. I would like to have positive tool
> lengths
> > on all machines just to be consistent.
> >   I will start working on this here unless someone (with much better
> > programming skills - wink wink) has completed it. :)
>
> I've thought about this too.  I currently have G59.3 system on my mill
> set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line
> for you) is touching the table at Z=0.  That way I can switch to
> G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel
> pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if
> using an upright 246 block).  Then I switch back to G54 or whatever.
>
> I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the
> coordinate system right.  It would be nice if you did not have to
> remember to switch systems though.  It is easy to mess up.
>
> Maybe we need a separate system just for tool touch off, or maybe using
> G59.3 automatically under the covers is good enough.  Either way, we'd
> have to make a new subcommand of G10 L10 Pn (not sure what format?
> L11?) that does the deed.  Then (the hard part I think) is letting the
> user select which method in the gui (touch off tool relative to current
> work offset, or touch off tool relative to the specific special/G59.3
> system).
>
> I'm hesitant to force one or the other - I usually use the table method,
> except when I can't.  Sometimes I can't get to the table at all - so I
> probe the top of the workpiece, set G54 to 0 there, roll dowel between
> tool and workpiece, touch off tool (while still in G54) to 0.5.
>
> An easier way out would be to leave G10 L10 alone and change the
> behavior underneath to force relativity to a certain coordinate system
> based on an ini entry.  Then we wouldn't have to touch the GUIs (but
> different emc machines would work obscurely and dangerously
> differently with no hint to the user).
>
> It's late - this is probably clear as mud.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:30:51 -0500
> From: Stuart Stevenson <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths
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> At the moment I like the idea of the .ini entry and forcing the user to do
> it one way for every machine. The tool set machine measurement can be typed
> into the TLO for the times when the tool set probe cannot be reached.
> I would then need to make/purchase a 40 taper tool set standard adapter for
> my tool set machine and all would be well.
> You are correct - it is late - time to sleep on it.
>
> --
> dos centavos
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:43:43 -0500
> From: Jon Elson <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 machine updates
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> Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> >  One of my partners came in my
> > office today to tell me the Cinci had circle interpolated a (I think) 4
> inch
> > hole within .0005 round. Neither man is easily impressed. I will get some
> > pictures of the parts.
> >
> Ahh, pictures won't show .0005" accuracy!  This is after your 5-axis
> kinematics fixings?
> That is quite awesome.  I can't get better than .001 to .0015" on my
> Bridgeport due to some flex
> in the ballscrew mounts and such small deflections.
> >   We moved the Dahlih into the main shop. Clyde, the machinist that ran
> the
> > Dahlih in the back shop, wanted us to move it to the main shop so he
> could
> > run it there. Clyde is not a CNC operator. Clyde is a crochety old manual
> > machinist. He likes the Dahlih. He was very skeptical at first. When he
> saw
> > the keyboard (the gui is AXIS) he turned up his nose. His finger now fly
> > over the keys.
> Old dogs CAN learn new tricks, but it is harder than it used to be.
> But, when there is REAL
> benefit to learning, it is worth it.
>
> (Still can't stand those singing servos on the DahLih, though, that
> whine would drive me nuts.)
>
> Jon
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:03:27 -0700
> From: dave <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths
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> On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 23:18 -0500, Chris Radek wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:53:04PM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > Gentlemen,
> > >   I have asked this before but with the EMC2 machines breeding in my
> shop I
> > > want to get this implemented.
>
> Don't put them so close together; inhibit breeding. ;-)
>
> Ok, so it is late and I can plead old-timers syndrome or something.
>
> I keep thinking about a gage ... basically a honed cylinder with a
> spring restrained piston and a couple of prox switches. The first switch
> is a warning and slows the approach velocity and the second marks the
> length.
> One can either bolt this to the mill bed or use magnets to affix it so
> positioning it on top a work piece would be possible.
>
> Gage all your tools against it using the reference tool as zero.
>
> Set it atop the workpiece and use the offset to get workpiece zero or
> use cradeks dowel method.
>
> It should not be too difficult to clone this across machines to make
> things consistent. Surface grinders do nice things. :-)
>
> In this off the wall thinking I have even considered a reverse version
> of the sensor system that mounts in the spindle and allows touch off
> plus offset to give top of workpiece.
>
> There must be a somewhat easier way but indeed it is late and I'm
> somewhat taxed for bright ideas.
>
> In the light of morning maybe something else will reveal itself but I
> don't hold out too much hope.
>
> Keep thinking, it is the only hope we have.
>
> Dave
>
> > >   I want to have a variable (in the .var file?) that will allow me to
> set
> > > positive tool lengths using a tool set block on the table surface. I
> want to
> > > be able to match the tool lengths the machine sets to the tool lengths
> our
> > > tool set machine measures. The variable would be a constant that is
> compared
> > > to the axis position to calculate the tool length from the imaginary
> gage
> > > point. I have a 50 taper tool set standard I can put in the spindle to
> > > determine the gage point very accurately.
> > >   Our 5 axis mills that have 5 axis tool length compensation need and
> use
> > > positive tool lengths in the TLO. I would like to have positive tool
> lengths
> > > on all machines just to be consistent.
> > >   I will start working on this here unless someone (with much better
> > > programming skills - wink wink) has completed it. :)
> >
> > I've thought about this too.  I currently have G59.3 system on my mill
> > set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line
> > for you) is touching the table at Z=0.  That way I can switch to
> > G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel
> > pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if
> > using an upright 246 block).  Then I switch back to G54 or whatever.
> >
> > I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the
> > coordinate system right.  It would be nice if you did not have to
> > remember to switch systems though.  It is easy to mess up.
> >
> > Maybe we need a separate system just for tool touch off, or maybe using
> > G59.3 automatically under the covers is good enough.  Either way, we'd
> > have to make a new subcommand of G10 L10 Pn (not sure what format?
> > L11?) that does the deed.  Then (the hard part I think) is letting the
> > user select which method in the gui (touch off tool relative to current
> > work offset, or touch off tool relative to the specific special/G59.3
> > system).
> >
> > I'm hesitant to force one or the other - I usually use the table method,
> > except when I can't.  Sometimes I can't get to the table at all - so I
> > probe the top of the workpiece, set G54 to 0 there, roll dowel between
> > tool and workpiece, touch off tool (while still in G54) to 0.5.
> >
> > An easier way out would be to leave G10 L10 alone and change the
> > behavior underneath to force relativity to a certain coordinate system
> > based on an ini entry.  Then we wouldn't have to touch the GUIs (but
> > different emc machines would work obscurely and dangerously
> > differently with no hint to the user).
> >
> > It's late - this is probably clear as mud.
> >
> > Chris
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:34:07 -0400
> From: Mark Wendt <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] EMC2 machine updates
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> On 10/07/2010 11:39 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >    We now have a shop full of EMC2 believers. I walked out into the shop
> this
> > morning and all three EMC2 controlled machines were cutting steel parts.
> The
> > Dahlih was making some blocks for a draw press. The Cinci was milling
> some
> > steel plates and the Enshu was milling some steel blocks.
> >    I wanted to get some pictures of the Enshu cutting the blocks but 2
> hours
> > later when I went out with the camera the job was completed. The job did
> not
> > have any tool changes so it was not a good candidate for a video. I don't
> > know what is going on it next. I will get a video shortly.
> >    The Cinci is generating a lot of good feedback. One of our programmers
> > said this is the best machine in the shop. One of my partners came in my
> > office today to tell me the Cinci had circle interpolated a (I think) 4
> inch
> > hole within .0005 round. Neither man is easily impressed. I will get some
> > pictures of the parts.
> >    We moved the Dahlih into the main shop. Clyde, the machinist that ran
> the
> > Dahlih in the back shop, wanted us to move it to the main shop so he
> could
> > run it there. Clyde is not a CNC operator. Clyde is a crochety old manual
> > machinist. He likes the Dahlih. He was very skeptical at first. When he
> saw
> > the keyboard (the gui is AXIS) he turned up his nose. His finger now fly
> > over the keys. We have a small cell set up for him. A manual bridgeport,
> a
> > manual lathe and the Dahlih. I would love to set an EMC2 controlled lathe
> in
> > his cell.
> >    I have not worked on the G&L again - yet - I will get to it shortly.
> >    EMC2 ROCKS
> > thanks
> > Stuart
> >
>
> Please tell me Clyde at least gets bread and water in his cell...  ;-)
> Outstanding Stuart!  Maybe once I move out of Maryland to the upper
> midwest, I'll get a chance to come down and see your shop.  You've done
> some impressive things!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 06:30:58 -0500
> From: John Thornton <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
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>
>
> Chris Radek wrote:
> > I've thought about this too. I currently have G59.3 system on my mill
> > set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line
> > for you) is touching the table at Z=0.  That way I can switch to
> > G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel
> > pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if
> > using an upright 246 block).  Then I switch back to G54 or whatever.
> >
> > I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the
> > coordinate system right.  It would be nice if you did not have to
> > remember to switch systems though.  It is easy to mess up.
> >
> I can vouch for that, for some reason I still get confused from time to
> time touching off tools and G54. I usually use G55 to touch off tools.
> BTW, the DRO screen in master is very valuable when touching off tools.
> I use the dowel method as well on the CHNC and it works well for those
> tools that can be touched off that way. I have developed the habit of
> loading a new tool and double checking that my Z0 is where I expect it
> to be and I can tell well before the tool crashes (from experience) that
> the path is not correct as the tool flies toward the material in the
> chuck LOL.
>
> John
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 07:39:05 -0500
> From: James Louis <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] setting tool lengths
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
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> It looks like there's more than one way to get Z0.  For what it's worth,
> here is how I do it on our Haas mill.  It is also how I plan on doing touch
> off and tool pre-setting on my EMC2 mill:
> First, to use this method you must measure tool length using a tool holder
> mounting fixture and height gage.  An actual tool pre-setter would also
> work.  Both will result in positive numbers.
> Next mount a coolant proof dial indicator in a tool holder. This is the
> type with a locking bezel pointer.  Put this on your pre-setter and make
> your new tool measure some round number, say 7.0000 inches.  Lock your
> pointer at that reading.  Put that tool in your ATC carousel just like you
> did with your edge finder.
>
> Now when you are setting up a job do these 3 steps:
> 1 - Jog the indicator down to the part surface so the pointer lines up with
> the bezel mark.
> 2 - Press "Part Zero Set".  Your gage line is now 7.0000 inches from your
> part surface.
> 3 - Add negative 7.0000 to your G54 Z register.
>
> This eliminates the need for swatches of paper or wood because your new
> tool is already compliant yet very accurate.
> I hope this helps.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
>
> Chris Radek wrote:
> > I've thought about this too. I currently have G59.3 system on my mill
> > set so the reference/zero length tool (probe length for me, gage line
> > for you) is touching the table at Z=0.  That way I can switch to
> > G59.3, put a 123 or 246 block anywhere on the table, roll a .5 dowel
> > pin between the tool and the block, and touch off the tool to 6.5 (if
> > using an upright 246 block).  Then I switch back to G54 or whatever.
> >
> > I think this procedure would do what you want too, if you just set the
> > coordinate system right.  It would be nice if you did not have to
> > remember to switch systems though.  It is easy to mess up.
> >
> I can vouch for that, for some reason I still get confused from time to
> time touching off tools and G54. I usually use G55 to touch off tools.
> BTW, the DRO screen in master is very valuable when touching off tools.
> I use the dowel method as well on the CHNC and it works well for those
> tools that can be touched off that way. I have developed the habit of
> loading a new tool and double checking that my Z0 is where I expect it
> to be and I can tell well before the tool crashes (from experience) that
> the path is not correct as the tool flies toward the material in the
> chuck LOL.
>
> John
>
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