John Thornton wrote:
> Currently with the 10hp idler and the Samson lathe running as a second 
> idler and the 611 in the BP 308 on I have the voltage balanced at 245 
> between all three phases give or take one volt. The VMC will make parts 
> and run at 2k with full rapid speeds or ramp up with G code to 6k and 
> run about an hour or so before the drive trips out. Turning off 
> everything for a while and whatever caused the trip seems to mend 
> itself. So now I'm thinking that there might be an actual problem in the 
> infeed unit because once it starts to trip out if I reset the machine 
> and start running again it trips out real fast.
>
>   
Ah HA!  Something is getting hot, most likely.  So, it takes an hour to 
heat up?
That suggests something massive, or possibly with a poor heat sink.
It is dangerous to work around inside the machine with 600 V DC in there.
Can you borrow a thermal camera?  otherwise, you'll need to power down
and wait for the caps to drain, and then feel for anything getting hot.
One other possibility is if it takes an hour to heat up, a modest fan might
keep everything cool enough to make it run continuously.

One other thought, you might have TWO different problems!  One is in the
infeed module, the other might be something wrong with the spindle servo
drive.  it may have a bad cooling fan or something.
> Monitoring the generated phase voltage while running and during rapid 
> moves of Z I see no more than one volt variation. So that seems pretty 
> stiff to me.
>
> The spindle and axes are all Siemens AC servos. If I changed to a VFD 
> then I would loose my tool changer which would suck. I'd be more 
> inclined to buy another VMC that didn't have a Siemens Simodrive 611 
> than try and mod this one, then sell the Discovery 308 on flea bay. The 
> sad part is I have more $ invested in BT30 tooling than I care to think 
> about so that clouds the issue of getting rid of the 308 for another VMC.
>
> I plan on calling Siemens back to see if there is anything I might do to 
> reduce the sensitivity of the drive. The one thing that sticks in the 
> back of my mind is how crappy the wave form was when I removed the 
> commutating reactor from the circuit... anyway a lot to wonder about.
>   
The waveform will be crappy due to the rectifiers connecting the cap 
bank first to
this line, then to that one.  There will be large current pulses.

Have you measured the AC ripple of the DC bus?  Put a DVM on AC and see what
numbers you get under loaded conditions.

Jon

Jon

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