The machine is one that has had a problematic (under engineered drive train) 
from the get-go.  It is an 8 spindle gang router for wood carving, with a 12ft 
long gantry that has about 5ft of travel (Y-axis).  Even though the X is on a 
12ft gantry it only has a little over 3ft of usable travel.  X and Z both 
currently use 0 backlash lead screws (these are showing some age) and I want to 
replace them with ball screws, with a shorter pitch and instal better fixing 
blocks (what is there now is pretty el cheapo and is adding a lot of backlash). 
 My hope is to reduce backlash, reduce friction, and increase mechanical 
advantage, in the hope of improving acceleration and stability.  The changes on 
the Z will change the encoder resolution from about 8K counts/inch to about 
10K, X will go from about 4.5K to 10K.  this all sounds relatively simple so 
far.  

That leaves the problem child Y axis.  It has a helical rack and pinion (~2 
inch diameter pinion) on each end of the gantry connected together by 2.5 inch 
diameter torsion tube.  The drive is on the outside and consists of a large 
fine toothed timing belt pulley (about 8 inch diameter on the pinion shaft) and 
a very very small one on the servo motor (less than .75").  Tooth count on the 
big one is 212, and I can't see the little one to count it right now it might 
be as small as 14 teeth.  Regardless what the actual ratios are, a 2000 count 
(8K quad) encoder on the motor gives about 7.5K count/inch.  Other than the 
step motor esque gearing, I think my biggest problem is belt squirm on the 
ultra small motor pulley.

I think a would be happy with +-0.001 inches accuracy and satisfied with +-.002 
 The machine is all aluminum construction so is far from heavy duty, but it 
isn't some light hobby job either.

All the servos are 850oz/in. (I think I'll have to check the numbers to be 
sure).

I was considering just putting a ball screw on just one side of the gantry and 
leaving the racks and pinions alone (still connected).  I know it kind of still 
leaves the far side to flop around, but it's doing that already (torsional flex 
is a bitch ain't it).

I had thought about using 2 90 deg gear boxes, but their expense and fear of 
backlash has me shying away. 

I may be best just biting the bullet and going the 2 motor route.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bas de Bruijn" <bdebru...@luminize.nl>
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:52:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Ball Screw Drive?


On 11 Jun 2014, at 19:00, Todd Zuercher <zuerc...@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Any one have any ingenious ideas for a good way to drive two parallel ball 
> screws that are 12 feet appart (gantry router), with only 1 motor (instead of 
> 2) ? 

Hi Todd,

could you elaborate a little bit on the actual setup? Do you want to rotate the 
nut on the gantry, or do you want to rotate the spindles on the frame beneath?

Either way, if you want to use 1 motor, then position it in the middle so 
elasticity (I roughly calculate 3 feet in 1 meter) over the 4 meters is equal 
on both sides. Otherwise you will have one of the nuts/spindles lagging w.r.t. 
the other one.

What is the torque you expect? and the tolerance you expect to mill? 
What kind of finish (part/component quality) are you after?

- 2 90 degree gearboxes with a shrink collar could be used. with a gearbox in 
the middle.
- Another way could be to put bevel gears on the end of the spindle and drive 
that with 1 axis (again, motor in the middle).
- or you could use an eccentric plate construction. A motor with an eccenter 
who drives 1 plate. That plate is held in place by 3 executers. Then you put an 
executer on both spindels/nuts and when the eccentric plate starts to move the 
spindle/nut will be rotated. You’ll have a bad time fighting vibrations :) 
you’ll need to counterbalance it so I guess it gets a little bulky. To get the 
idea:  something like this, http://www.google.com/patents/US2342251 or 
http://www.google.pl/patents/US4260301


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