On Saturday 05 July 2014 20:05:56 a k did opine
And Gene did reply:
> Hi
> 
> I can see that some people get obsession for FREE thing like a free
> help.
> 
> If it is FREE , one free to do everything. Why?--- because it is FREE.
> 
> No rule no restriction because it is FREE.
> 
> 
> 
> One remark   – you got what you paid for---
> 
> Possible talk a lot about FREE thing ( google.com is FREE – so/and
> ….etc.)
> 
> Thursday I did call to NIST and found the person that originally put
> together EMC2. It was interesting to talk to him. One my question
> was—why none of major educational institution in the USA – like
> MIT etc—does not put EMC/EMC2 into their program and offer – class
> online etc ?  different class for different level/need of student.
> 
> The answer was – it is good question—it is very good question.
> 
> Need to wait for fall to find right people in colleges/university to
> ask.
> 
> 
> 
> If school like MIT will offer emc2 class, that will remove many
> –(newbie) from this list for sure.
> 
> 
> aram

Welcome Aram in case my previous responses weren't all that encouraging.

And free as in zero cost is not a major consideration to me, its far more 
important that of these two lists, the huge majority of the coders who 
"make it work" are right here to answer your questions.  They have, and 
continue to share their knowledge with the old fart that I am.  Legit 
problems reported are generally addressed by a fresh download in 48 hours 
or less.  Compare that to getting a straight answer out of the Redmond 
monolith.

That would be nice, as they would not be so much a newbie when they arrive 
at this list. ;-)  But they will arrive here eventually. I was one of 
those myself, most of a decade back.  Still am at times. :(

But, I would also like to see it catch hold in the tech/vocational 
schools, which are often geared toward teaching troubled teens carpentry 
or auto mechanics or some other aspect of the workplace they will have to 
live in in the future.  Teaching them a MODERN trade, both in machining, 
and in creating the machines to do it with, strikes me as a win win 
situation for society as a whole, regardless of ethnicity and such. Heck, 
I could be interested in trying to teach such a class but I couldn't keep 
up a 5 days a week schedule at my age, 79, if the drive is 35 miles one 
way as it would be for the nearest such school around here.

I could see a two year class for credit and potentially testing for 
accreditation if there is such a thing. ??

One Community College in Norfolk NE had such a program in the early '70's 
intended to generate a few C.E.T.'s, which I am one of.  But I blew the 
prof away when I walked in cold and asked for the journeyman level test on 
the day they had announced as test day.  And aced it, in about an hour of 
the 4 they gave to answer 125 multiple choice or draw it questions.  None 
of his students had managed that even at the apprentice level in the 5 
years he had been teaching it.  I was then keeping one of Nebraska ETV's 
UHF transmitter sites running well. So I had plenty of what some would 
have called exotic experience, as klystron amplifiers are to most, some 
sort of black magic.  That was 42 years ago.

So ask away, someone here will be sure to have an opinion.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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