On Wednesday 17 May 2017 01:47:17 Bertho Stultiens wrote:

> On 05/17/2017 04:24 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > The ideal situation in this instance would be to mirror the design
> > of the 7i90 so as to rotate the 26 pin header 180 degrees, which
> > would allow the cable to be only an inch long.  Or mount the pi
> > upside down, which would have the same effect.  Humm, why not, I
> > have some looong standoffs?  While I'm waiting on 7i42TA's, why not
> > try it?  More than one way to skin this scrawny cat.
>
> Reducing the cable's length to an inch would help. Then the
> transmission line characteristics would be much less a problem at
> 50MHz.
>
> >  Why is it I think best while writing
> > about a problem? Can't be the age of the wet ram.  Or is it... :(
>
> It is called reflection of your own thoughts ;-) It works very well
> while doing something completely different (like taking some time on
> the toilet).
>
> >> BTW, I think that not only the probe tip has influence, but also
> >> where your probe's ground-lead is placed (and not that fluffy long
> >> aligator-clip lead).
> >
> >  Chuckle, guilty yur honor, but its only a  4" lead. :) In this case
> > clipped onto a corner of a usb sockets frame.
>
> Well, using the default ground-lead on the probe at high frequency
> makes anything you see on the scope suspect. You do still have those
> springy clips that come with the probes, which clip onto the tip's
> ground-ring?

Someplace, but to use them I'd need three things.
1. A ground it could reach.
2. jigs to hold the probes in constant contact since there are no 
gripping hooks.
3. 6 arms & hands.

I can't hold the probe in contact, retrigger the scope to capture the 
next snapshot, and hit the up-arrow then a return to initiate the next 
signals existence as linuxcnc starts up. Birth defect I guess, I'd need 
6 arms, all steadier than the 2 I do have.  Or 3 of me in telepathic 
contact. :)

> With your confession, I'd be expecting ringing on the signals you
> measured. That makes me wonder if your probe is properly impedance
> matched to your scope... Maybe time to test and recalibrate the probes
> on the 1kHz scope reference?

BTDT, many times. For this sort of thing, the scopes need a 100khz test 
signal, and an isolated ground immediately adjacent, but this one has 
neither, dammit.

The scope itself is running on a ground isolation adapter, so I'm not 
getting the ground loop noises from that in my displays, nor is power 
applied to the motors as I have that tied to the motion enable gui 
button. So yes, I do understand that the scope pix I posted links to 
yesterday are showing the effects of that 4" long ground lead.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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