I'm a little slow on some of this. Could someone give me an example of a
"rules violation" please refer to an actual post. I read every email and every
recent topic post. In my unenlightened position I can't think of anything in
the last year that I have seen that was offensive.
Scott H
On Thursday, July 22, 2021, 4:38:08 AM CDT, Valerio Bellizzomi
<vale...@selnet.org> wrote:
I am making a big effort to understand why people is so adverse to
rules. Every project on sourceforge/github has to follow rules of the
site, and some projects have their own CoC.
If you agreed to behave correctly before, the CoC should not affect
you, unless you want to misbehave now.
On Thu, 2021-07-22 at 03:02 -0400, Bruce Layne wrote:
> The "discussion" is apparently over and we still have the Code of
> Conduct.
>
> https://linuxcnc.org/CODE_OF_CONDUCT
>
> It wasn't much of a discussion. Questions were asked but there were
> no
> meaningful answers.
>
> At the risk of offending any programmers in the LinuxCNC community
> by
> appropriating programmer culture, here is my pseudo code for the
> LinuxCNC Code of Conduct Fait Accompli:
>
>
> 01 IMPOSE CODE OF CONDUCT ON LINUXCNC COMMUNITY
> 02 IF COMPLAINTS > 0 THEN GOTO 02
> 03 END
>
>
> All of the complaints by those who didn't feel a code of conduct was
> needed have apparently now concluded and those who wanted a code of
> conduct to regulate other people's behavior have won without ever
> engaging on the issues... without ever justifying why their code of
> conduct was needed, without explaining what event might have
> precipitated the rules imposed on others, etc.
>
> There was no need to explain who would decide what is
> "disinformation"
> or "conspiracy theories", or who would decide what is "other conduct
> which could reasonably be considered inappropriate", or who would
> decide
> what is "inappropriate language" or "inappropriate images". There
> was
> no need to explain why the Code of Conduct was required when there
> were
> no hostile comments on this group until the Code of Conduct caused
> all
> of the recent animosity, resulting in exactly what it purported to
> prevent.
>
> One of the things I liked about LinuxCNC was that it was a community
> effort. Certainly there are a core group of contributors (greatly
> appreciated), but nobody was perceived as being in charge. There was
> a
> spontaneous order arising from mutual cooperation. This open source
> community functioned very well without a lot of rules, and certainly
> without any rulers. I no longer feel that way. At best, rather
> than
> everyone behaving with courtesy and respect toward others because
> it's
> the right thing to do, it now feels like coerced behavior. I now
> feel
> that this community is under the rule of unelected and as yet
> unnamed
> rulers.
>
> The process was so opaque that I still don't know if one person
> unilaterally enacted the Code of Conduct, or was there some
> oligarchy
> that made the decision after a secret discussion?
>
> When someone violates one of the subjective rules in the new Code of
> Conduct, will we then learn who the rulers are... or at least who
> the
> enforcers are? Or will dissidents be quietly disappeared in the
> middle
> of the night?
>
> An open source community that has always operated on mutual consent
> is
> now operating under dictatorial decree with all objections ignored
> and
> unanswered. I think that's very sad.
>
> I don't like the subjective rules in the Code of Conduct. They seem
> politically motivated and the vague rules can be selectively
> enforced.
> I also feel that the Code of Conduct will cause problems rather than
> preventing problems. That concern seems warranted based on the
> hostile
> arguments we've already suffered as a direct result of the Code of
> Conduct. Mostly, I didn't like the way the Code of Conduct was
> unilaterally decreed without discussion, and when a few people tried
> to
> initiate a discussion, they were ignored by the person who posted
> the
> Code of Conduct. I'm left with the feeling that there wasn't any
> explanation for why the Code of Conduct was needed because there
> wasn't
> an actual need to regulate the behavior of a group that has been
> self
> regulated for decades. The Code of Conduct couldn't be justified,
> so
> there was no effort to justify it. If there was an actual need, why
> wasn't there a discussion that led to community standards that were
> established by the community? That would have been a far less
> contentious process than someone posting the new Code of Conduct for
> everyone else to follow without prior discussion and without any
> community consensus.
>
>
>
>
>
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