Peter, I've ran into another bit of a snag. I have a couple of 24v relays from Automationdirect. The resistance on the coils is about 635ohms. I thought that the outputs on the 7i84 were supposed to be ok with running a small relay with up to about 40mA without needing a flyback diode. It's close but just under that. Well, I've managed to kill 3 of the outputs with those relays (the outputs are stuck always on). I've put a couple of diodes on the relay coils, I hope that works and I don't ruin any more. What does it take to replace the chip or chips that would be damaged by this?
Todd Zuercher P. Graham Dunn Inc. 630 Henry Street Dalton, Ohio 44618 Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wallace <p...@mesanet.com> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 5:09 PM To: Todd Zuercher <to...@pgrahamdunn.com> Cc: Todd Zuercher via Emc-users <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: RE: [Emc-users] Mesa Card Stepgens? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. On Mon, 15 Apr 2024, Todd Zuercher wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:22:03 +0000 > From: Todd Zuercher <to...@pgrahamdunn.com> > To: Peter Wallace <p...@mesanet.com>, > Todd Zuercher via Emc-users <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: RE: [Emc-users] Mesa Card Stepgens? > > Thanks Peter, > > We've had this 7i85s for quite a while, and it must be one of the > early ones because I see DS34C87TM chips on it. > > I'm not sure I like the idea of using them single ended. But is a > +5v-0v single ended signal actually any better or even much different > than a +/-3v differential signal? How hard would it be to move the > last steepen over to the 7i88 and have all 8 of these stepgens on one > card? I am not planning on using the Smart Serial output on the 7i88. > The 3 servos have been working on the 7i85S for years and can stay there. Differential is needed and advised for servo drives with line receiver inputs, however, with optocoupled input step/dir drives, there is little advantage to differential mode. With optocoupled input step/dir drives the input will only see ~3V drive in differential mode with the DS34C87 driver, so its better to run in single ended mode with the 7I85S sinking so you get full 5V drive. > > I am using the Smart Serial connection on the 7i85s to connect a 7i84. > > If all else fails I can simply set all of the other steppers the same > as the slow one and leave it be. Even the slow one is working as fast > or faster than I was hoping it would, but a little more safety margin would > be nice. The drives are likely not rated for 3V input so you would probably be better off if you ran single ended. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Wallace <p...@mesanet.com> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 3:41 PM > To: Todd Zuercher via Emc-users <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: Todd Zuercher <to...@pgrahamdunn.com> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Mesa Card Stepgens? > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > On Mon, 15 Apr 2024, Todd Zuercher via Emc-users wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 19:27:19 +0000 >> From: Todd Zuercher via Emc-users <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Cc: Todd Zuercher <to...@pgrahamdunn.com> >> Subject: [Emc-users] Mesa Card Stepgens? >> >> I was working on this machine where I need a whole bunch of extra stepgens. >> I am using a Mesa 7i85S and a 7i88 connected to a 5i25 card. I was testing >> some of the stepper drives and I noticed that with one of the drive/motor >> combinations I am needing to use slightly longer step timing and lower max >> velocity. I thought that this was odd, because all of the drives, motors, >> and mechanicals are the same for all of the ones I was testing. The only >> difference is that the slower one was connected to a stepgen on the 7i85S >> and all of the others are on the 7i88. So just for curiosity sake I checked >> the voltage at the input terminals of step/dir signals of the drive. On the >> terminals connected to the 7i88 I found +/-5v, and on the one connected to >> the 7i85S there is only +/-3v. This is the only difference I've been able >> to find between the different joints in question. >> >> Does it make sense that the voltages would be different on the step/dir >> outputs between the 7i85s and the 7i88? Does it make sense that the >> difference would cause a difference in the required step timing? Why might >> there be a difference between the output voltage on the two cards? >> >> Both cards are getting their 5v from the 5i25. The 7i85S is also connected >> to 3 step/gen servo drives and their encoder's feedbacks. Is it possible >> that the 5v drain from the encoders might be causing the lower voltage on >> the 7i85S's outputs? > > > I would check the 5V rail at the 7I85S card, and if its low, power the > 7I85S directly from 5V rather the through the parallel cable. ALso the > very first lot (many years ago) of 7I85S cards were built with DS34C87 > drivers which do not have full 5V drive. If you have this card, you > can get 5V drive by using single ended sinking outputs and 5V+ to > drive step+ and 7i85s step- to drive > step- > >> >> Todd Zuercher >> P. 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