I don't know how much preload is considered 'tiny'. The 5 axis Cinci X travel is 120". The preload stretch is supposed to be .007" measured with an indicator on a mag base on the casting beside the screw while tightening the nuts.
regards Stuart On Sun, Jan 4, 2026 at 1:19 AM gene heskett <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1/4/26 00:27, andrew beck wrote: > > hmm > > > > just read the link again to the example posted further up the email chain > > > > yeah it's going to a sum component > > > > ok i understand this i think > > > > i will try hopefully in a couple of weeks > > > > cheers > > > > Andrew > Better yet guys, change the stepper to a closed loop stepper/servo & > bypass the PID. > The closed loop stepper/servo does precisely what the TP issues, and if > the drivers > are from Hanpose, the loop is one micro-step tight because you can pull > the 24 volt > supply which is limiting the rapid speeds and use 72 volts. That motor > isn't going to > move a micron w/o the driver doing what it needs to make the motor do > precisely > what the TP asks it to do. Even with only 42 volts, my Sheldon's rapids > doubled in speed. > These drivers also have an output you can feed into the e-stop logic to > stop LinuxCNC > in its tracks if the motor loses home. > > Thoroughly tested, never happened while making swarf. > > Yeah it costs a wee bit more per axis, but its absolute peace of mind. > The PID is > internal to the driver, an LC42 for 3d printers, an LC57 for nema 23's, > up to 3NM. > > Motors run cold unless you are pushing it too fast for making swarf. My > B axis > motor on my rebuilt (I threw the electronics away & redid it with > LinuxCNC) 6040 > mill runs at 3000 rpm while carving a vise screw, runs warm but not burn > your > hand hot. Does exactly what the TP tells it to do. > > I'd post pix to prove it but JK won't let me. > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2026 at 6:29 PM andrew beck <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> hey stuart > >> > >> yeah the ballscrew is connected both ends. i think one end has the big > >> angular contact bearings etc > >> > >> and the other only has deep groove ends probably (its much smaller than > >> the driving end) > >> > >> on my other two cnc mills they have angular contact bearings both ends > and > >> the screws are stretched between them slightly with a tiny bit of > preload > >> > >> > >> hey guys > >> > >> i was reading the link that sam sent two and it looks like the two Pid > >> loops are running side by side and then the outputs are added together > >> before going to the servo drive > >> > >> would i be correct in thinking that they are using the "sum" component > in > >> linuxcnc to do that? > >> > >> if so this is getting pretty simple > >> > >> cheers > >> > >> andrew > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 3:07 PM Stuart Stevenson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> HI, > >>> I don't think the LinuxCNC control scheme is cascaded or nested. I > would > >>> call it parallel. > >>> > >>> The only backlash problem I can imagine is if the backlash causes the > >>> motor to dither trying to maintain position because cutting forces move > >>> the > >>> axis enough to cause the control to try to correct the axis position. > >>> > >>> Is the ball screw supported on each end? If it is, then, is it > possible > >>> the screw has some stretch preload. > >>> > >>> regards > >>> Stuart > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2026 at 4:10 PM andrew beck <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> hey guys > >>>> sam i just looked at that link you sent > >>>> > >>>> that looks pretty cool > >>>> > >>>> only thing is i don't know is if it will work to reduce the backlash > >>> issue > >>>> i am getting. I have about 0.10mm of backlash on each axis. half of > >>> that > >>>> is from the thrust bearings which is fixable with new bearings > >>>> the rest is from the ball nut i think and i am not willing to fix that > >>>> > >>>> but i can only try it. > >>>> > >>>> does anyone want to have a go with making a config like they did? one > >>> axis > >>>> would be best I am struggling to get my head around the different > >>> layers. > >>>> i probably need to write it all out or use a diagram or something. > >>>> > >>>> regardless i am sure i will work it out. just might take some brain > >>> cells > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> cheers > >>>> > >>>> Andrew > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 4:54 AM Sam Sokolik <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> This was also John k.. I would trust his solution. He is the one > >>> that > >>>>> came up with hal in linuxcnc... (Among other things). > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2026, 9:49 AM andy pugh <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 at 15:41, andy pugh <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 at 22:14, andrew beck < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> just looking for a config example if possible for a mesa card > >>> from > >>>>>> someone > >>>>>>>> that has this nested PID loop setup. > >>>>>>> This may not be as effective as you would hope. Cascaded PID > >>> loops... > >>>>>> Actually, what was done with the MPM jigmill wasn't a cascaded PID. > >>>>>> What was done there was to run a P + FF control based on the motor > >>>>>> encoder and an I control based on the linear scales. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Then the two controllers were summed together to create a PID > >>>>>> controller, but with I using a different feedback source than P and > >>> D. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> atp > >>>>>> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > >>>>>> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > >>>>>> lunatics." > >>>>>> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Emc-users mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Emc-users mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Emc-users mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Addressee is the intended audience. > >>> If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to > read > >>> this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without > saving > >>> or > >>> reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private > >>> correspondence. > >>> Thank you for honoring my wish. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Emc-users mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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