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Dear Pier:
The violence of communication/language: The subject is constituted by language
and other forms of communication. This is why speech acts and other forms of
communication are not only performative in the sense of Austin, they do not
only create social facts, they have a direct impact on the subject. Therefore
language is powerful, but it can also be violent, it can hurt. It can deprive
the subject from its place, it can rob it the possibility to express its life.
Judith Butler’s book on hate speech gives a good first idea about this.
Primo Levi remembers as one of the first experiences after his deportation to
the Concentration and Extermination Camp Auschwitz that he opened the window of
the barack to break an icicle. He was thirsty. Immediately a watchman appeared
and snatched the icicle out of his hand. „‚Warum - Why“, did I ask in my simple
German. ‚Hier ist kein Warum - Here is no why/reason‘‚ he answered and pushed
me away.“ Language can be violent by depriving the other from what is his
cultural ground: f.e. that there is always a reason.
The language of antisemitism in Germany was violent. But there was something
perhaps even worse than the hate speech of insult and abuse: the language that
organized the attempt of extermination. This language actually killed. It
killed by denying and organizing the crime at the same time. Look and listen to
Claude Lanzmann’s Shoah, the documents the historian Raul Hilberg is analyzing
in this film, or, especially, the long conversation that Lanzmann has with
Franz Suchomel, SS-officer in Treblinka.
The communication of violence: To understand the dynamics of (political)
violence it is crucial to see that (political) violence is always staged, an
act of communication not necessarily with the direct victim but with the third
part. The message can be different, depending on the relation the witness has
to the victim and the perpetrator. Killing someone in front of a videocamera is
a performative act. All sorts of terrorism are speech acts addressed to the
witnesses.
Catharsis: I really would like to know how you understand the mechanism of
catharsis and if you think performance art can be part of catharsis. As long as
I have no idea how catharsis works I would prefer to speak of re-enactment or
other forms of confrontation with violence that happened in the past.
Reinhold
> Am 17.11.2014 um 19:19 schrieb PierMartonGmail <piermar...@gmail.com>:
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> In my eyes, Peter Kassig’s beheading yesterday makes the topic of
> powerlessness more salient and urgent. The expressions “my heart goes out to…
> or RIP", as heartfelt as they are, represent easy ways to say something (the
> phatic function? cf. below) Speaking of “inhumanity” does the same.
> Speaking of the opposite of passivity - which is not powerlessness (was it
> Jon who brought up “creative powerlessness?) - I would recommend a film I saw
> yesterday about, Alaa Basatneh, a 19 year old US/Syrian woman who is
> coordinating the resistance from Chicago: —> http://www.chicagogirlfilm.com/
> _____________________________________________
>
> In response to an earlier post:
> Thank you to Reinhold Görling for:
>
> - stating how slowly the “I” emerges - a vital element to our being able to
> approach otherness (animals, trees, you name it - those that are not part of
> our UNIverse)
>
> - bringing up re-enactment (in TRCs, Act of Killing) - pure catharsis.
> - quoting Rosselini (“université du vol et de l’assassinat”) - I often speak
> myself of the “eduCUSHIONal” system
>
> - and that fiery text by Godard that shows how messy it is to try to
> extirpate ourselves from where we reside.
>
> It will be my time to be “quite direct” - while among the left it is
> generally accepted that national liberation struggles often take the path of
> violence to be heard, or as my brother recently wrote: "The only time I´ve
> found it good to wave a flag is when someone else is stepping on it.” **
> As I consider my grandmother’s death in a gas chamber, it is impossible for
> me to approach "the language of violence" . Violence and annihilation as
> languages? My father was involved in the WWII resistance but it happened to
> be one without standard weapons: he hid a German deserter, made flyers, false
> papers…
> "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” - Samuel Johnson - what
> about weaponry? Are we only working with weapons of the spirit, we the
> “cultural workers”? By asking these questions, I am only asking for a certain
> complexity.
>
> And to respond to jon (below), and, as the expression goes, opening a can of
> worms, while aware of Shannon’s communication model (and having enjoyed
> teaching Jakobson’s overlapping structure - phatic….), I wonder whether,
> outside of the sciences, any solid communication ever takes place.
> When we say “blue" we mean different things but for the sake of “efficiency”
> we prefer not to dwell on that. "Nous ne faisons que nous entregloser/We are
> only cross-referencing ourselves.” Montaigne
>
> **while realizing that I open another can of worms, I wonder about the need
> for "flags and identity.”
> Thank you,
> Pier
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>>
>> From: Reinhold Görling <goerl...@phil.hhu.de>
>> Date: November 16, 2014 at 3:02:21 PM CST
>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] creative powerlessness, expressive violence,
>> performance
>> Reply-To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
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>> Sorry for being quite direct: but if you refuse to understand violence as
>> communication it will be very difficult to come to a critique of violence.
>> (And you shut your eyes before the possibility that communication can be
>> violence.)
>>
>> Reinhold
>>
>>> Am 16.11.2014 um 20:37 schrieb simon <s...@clear.net.nz>:
>>>
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>>> On 17/11/14 02:52, PierMartonGmail wrote:
>>>> the principle “violence as communication” is no help to me.
>>>> I can easily interpret everything around me as communication (and I DO
>>>> listen to trees, mountains, animals, no kidding).
>>>>
>>>> It is good that art takes place in prisons, mental institutions, etc…but
>>>> empowerment may start with any kind of listening - of paying attention to…
>>> yes, equally on this list... however, the 'defeat of impotence' as a remedy
>>> for violence is a formula which struck me, and this may simply be the
>>> powerlessness to act at all, or to be heard in all the noise.
>>>
>>> I agree - and so there is communication - 'violence as communication' is no
>>> help; albeit that violence has been dressed up as performance in the
>>> discussion: however, violence as a form of expression is a different
>>> proposition. From the point of expression, expressing an intention, whether
>>> natural or anti-, it can acquire qualities of ritual or convention,
>>> conferring status or recognition, communicating, representing, and becoming
>>> performance or art.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Simon
>
>
>> On Nov 16, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Jonathan Marshall
>> <jonathan.marsh...@uts.edu.au> wrote:
>>
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>>
>> For what its worth, I would agree that violence is an attempt at
>> communication - at getting a response from others
>>
>> One of the problems of communication theory is that people often seem to
>> assume that 'good' or 'succesful' communication is the norm when in fact
>> good communication is a special case of communication, and a relatively rare
>> one at that...
>>
>> It might be useful to recognise that communication always involves power, in
>> that it aims at getting a response from others, whether this is agreement,
>> disagreement, getting people to do something, or see the world in a
>> particular way and so on. This is inevitable, and of course a quick way of
>> getting that response would often involve a move into threat or violence.
>> Consequently, there can be an easy spill between attempts to communcate and
>> violence, whether this is because those with relatively high power can't be
>> bothered to persuade, or think their chances of persuasion are small, or
>> because those with relatively lower power are annoyed with being ignored...
>> or because both are convinced that the other would not listen anyway....
>>
>> This does not mean that violence and good communication are the same, or
>> should be rendered equivalent, just that violence and communincation are
>> sometimes likely to blend in particualr contexts.
>>
>> jon
>
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> In addition to my regular e-mail signature below, this month of November
> (during my direct involvement with -empyre) I have added a growing list of
> works that I found to be powerful - even if I question what “power” means.
> ”The Theater and its Double” by Artaud
> "Chechen Lullaby" - Directed by Nino Kirtadze —>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEmqHZAn8lQ (also on my website)
> "The Man by the Shore/L’Homme sur les Quais" & "Haïti, le Silence des Chiens”
> —> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbu2HPvFn_E - Directed by Raoul Peck
> Los Olvidados Directed by Luis Buñuel
> “Is Anyone Taking Any Notice?” by Don McCullin —>
> http://piermarton.info/don-mccullin/
> "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" by Peter Kropotkin
> "War Against War/Krieg dem Kriege/Guerre à la Guerre! War against War! Oorlog
> aan den Oorlog" by Ernst Friedrich (recent intro by Doug Kellner) - Various
> editions. Last one published in Sept. 2014 (available online).
> "At the Mind’s Limit" by Jean Améry
> “Shoah” - Directed by Claude Lanzmann
> "In the King of Prussia" - Directed by Emile de Antonio
> And these quotes:
> “Human stupidity is the only thing that gives an idea of the infinite/La
> bêtise humaine est la seule chose qui donne une idée de l'infini." Ernest
> Renan, Dialogues et fragments philosophiques (1876) (others & the Hungarian
> proverb: “Human stupidity is endless/Az emberi butaság végtelen")
> “Shitr… Watch, watch the machine's turnin'. Watch, watch them brains blow up…
> vanish from my presence/Merdre... Voyez, voyez la machin’ tourner, Voyez,
> voyez la cervell’ sauter,...disparais de ma présence." Alfred Jarry, Ubu roi
> (1888)
> “. . . only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul’s
> habitation be safely built.” - Bertrand Russell, 1923
> “If there is still one hellish, truly accursed thing in our time, it is our
> artistic dallying with forms, instead of being like victims burnt at the
> stake, signaling through the flames.” Artaud, The Theater and its Double, 1938
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> Before you know what kindness really is – You must lose things... Naomi
> Shehab Nye
> True reality is always unrealistic. Franz Kafka
> If you have come here to help me, then don't waste your time. But if you have
> come here, because your liberation is bound up with mine, then come, let us
> join in the struggle together. Australian Aborigine Activists
> Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Martin Luther
> King.
> When you know nothing, you say a lot. When you know something, there is
> nothing to say./Tell them that there is nothing to understand. U.G.
> Krishnamurti
> I used to think the mind was the most wonderful organ in the body. Then, I
> realized who was telling me that. Bertrand Russell
> What the eye can perceive isn't worth seeing. St. Exupéry
> and "to finish":
> The passionate desire to conclude is one of humanity's most pernicious and
> sterile manias - Flaubert
> A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire
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