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Vol. 12 No. 261
Thursday, 19 May 2005

Online at http://www.iisd.ca/climate/sb22/ 

SUMMARY OF THE UNFCCC SEMINAR OF GOVERNMENTAL EXPERTS: 

16-17 MAY 2005

The Seminar of Governmental Experts was held on 16 and 17 May 
2005, at the Maritim Hotel in Bonn, Germany. The decision to hold 
a Seminar was taken by Parties at the Tenth Conference of the 
Parties (COP-10) to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change 
(UNFCCC) in December 2004. The decision, which followed lengthy 
discussions at COP-10, sought to address the question of how to 
engage on some of the broader issues facing the climate change 
process. Foremost among these for some Parties was the question of 
a future framework and commitments to combat climate change in the 
post-2012 period (the Kyoto Protocol sets emissions targets for 
the years 2008-2012). There was also some interest in other 
issues, such as how to respond to the increasingly strong evidence 
of climate change, address the differences of opinion over Kyoto, 
and move forward in dealing both with climate change mitigation 
and adaptation.

The issue of a post-2012 framework proved to be particularly 
sensitive at COP-10. While the Kyoto Protocol requires Parties to 
begin considering the post-2012 period by 2005, many developing 
countries have objected in the past to attempts to expand the 
group of nations that have binding emissions targets from Annex I 
Parties into the ranks of the Group of 77 and China (G-77/China). 
Developing countries argue that industrialized countries should 
take the lead, based on the principle of common but differentiated 
responsibilities. There was also the question of how to include 
non-Parties to Kyoto in talks on subsequent commitments. 

As a result of these concerns, the terms of reference set for the 
Seminar were kept broad and general, with no specific reference to 
a post-2012 framework or other controversial matters. Parties at 
COP-10 agreed that the Seminar should encourage an "informal 
exchange of information on: (a) actions relating to mitigation and 
adaptation to assist Parties to continue to develop effective and 
appropriate responses to climate change; and (b) policies and 
measures adopted by their respective governments that support 
implementation of their existing commitments." 

While the Seminar had no formal outcome, such as recommendations 
or a negotiated text, many participants felt that it had been a 
very constructive and open dialogue that had demonstrated a 
willingness among Parties to understand others' positions and 
circumstances, and to begin the search for innovative ways to 
accommodate them. However, while being widely viewed as a step in 
the right direction, there were few signs that the differences 
between Parties had actually narrowed.

REPORT OF THE SEMINAR

UNFCCC Executive Secretary Joke Waller-Hunter welcomed 
participants to the Seminar of Governmental Experts on Monday 
morning, 16 May. Stating that this Seminar was the "first of its 
kind in UNFCCC history," she said time would tell if it will be 
remembered as an historic event. She suggested that, following the 
entry into force of the Kyoto Protocol in February 2005, this was 
an opportune moment to consider the implementation of the UNFCCC 
and Kyoto Protocol. She said participants would be informed about 
the broad range of approaches Parties have taken to tackle climate 
change, reflecting countries' diverse circumstances, and 
highlighted that the Seminar was taking place against a backdrop 
of rising atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations.

Delegates then heard two keynote presentations. J�rgen Trittin, 
German Federal Minister for the Environment, Nature Conservation 
and Nuclear Safety, highlighted the need for action on climate 
change to avoid a rise of more than 2?C in global temperatures and 
the "disastrous and irreversible damage" that would result. He 
stated that the Kyoto Protocol is a first step, but said progress 
must continue beyond 2012. He underscored the need for political 
will to ensure climate protection, and said this Seminar could 
provide the basis for a successful start at the first Meeting of 
the Parties to the Kyoto Protocol (MOP-1) in December 2005, with 
regard to the process of developing a post-2012 framework.

COP-10 President Gin�s Gonz�lez Garc�a, Minister of Health and the 
Environment of Argentina, said the Seminar was an opportunity to 
rebuild trust and confidence, noting the challenge of designing 
and building the post-2012 structures. He urged industrialized 
countries to address developing countries' concerns, including 
turning pledges into concrete actions, supporting the various 
climate funds that exist, and engaging in technology transfer and 
supporting adaptation. He indicated that political will would be 
critical to building trust and "facilitating developing countries' 
active participation in post-Kyoto architecture."

Following the opening presentations, Co-Chair Masaki Konishi 
explained that the Seminar would consist of several sessions, each 
involving speeches from several different government experts, 
followed by an interactive question-and-answer period. Emphasizing 
the informal nature of this meeting, Co-Chair Chow Kok Kee said 
there would be no Co-Chairs' conclusions.

SESSION ONE

The first session, held on Monday morning, 16 May, involved 
presentations by government experts from China, Brazil, 
Switzerland and the UK, followed by an interactive question-and-
answer session.

PRESENTATIONS: China: Feng Gao drew attention to China's current 
reliance on coal, stressed the need to improve energy efficiency, 
and outlined China's efforts to optimize its energy structure. He 
called for international cooperation to introduce and apply energy 
saving technologies, corresponding policy incentives and capacity 
building, and increased efforts and new mechanisms to transfer 
such technologies to developing countries.

Brazil: Andr� Corr�a do Lago urged cooperation to ensure the 
success of the UNFCCC, Kyoto Protocol and the Clean Development 
Mechanism (CDM) beyond 2012. Outlining Brazil's experiences with 
the CDM, he highlighted the CDM's contribution in achieving the 
UNFCCC's objective, helping Annex I countries to meet their 
commitments, engaging developing countries in mitigation efforts 
that would not otherwise be feasible, while raising their living 
standards.

Switzerland: Beat Nobs recognized the need to increase efforts to 
reduce greenhouse gas emissions after 2012. He said the 
international framework should ensure sustainable development, 
include all major emitters, reduce greenhouse gas emissions 
everywhere, promote the development, use and transfer of 
environmentally friendly technology, make use of market forces, 
and possibly include timetables and targets for emissions 
reductions.

United Kingdom: David Warrilow, on behalf of the European Union 
(EU), underscored positive feedback and possible catastrophic 
impacts as drivers for the EU's proposal to limit warming to less 
than 2?C, emphasizing that the challenge is to meet growing demand 
for energy while reducing emissions. He also stressed the need to 
address the problem as a matter of urgency.

DISCUSSION: Japan welcomed China's emphasis on energy savings and 
efficiency, asked for details on how China plans to achieve these, 
and offered technology cooperation. In response, Feng Gao stressed 
China's need for energy, noting that, with hydro and nuclear 
energy both being criticized, it raised issues about what options 
China had. He added that a strong agreement on technology transfer 
would be necessary.

The Cook Islands and Indonesia raised issues about the future role 
of the CDM and Joint Implementation (JI), and Luxembourg, for the 
EU, asked Brazil about its renewables programme. In response, 
Andr� Corr�a do Lago said Brazil has demonstrated that it is 
possible for a developing country to have a very high ratio of 
renewable energy in the matrix.

China raised the question of when developed countries could be 
expected to show significant reductions in greenhouse gas 
emissions and set an example for developing countries. Romania 
raised questions about the role of nuclear power in the second 
commitment period. He noted the risk of positive feedback, such as 
emissions from manufacturing the cement needed for sea walls and 
other infrastructure to adapt to sea level rise. 

SESSION TWO

This session, held early Monday afternoon, involved presentations 
from South Africa, Norway, the European Commission and the US, 
followed by a question-and-answer session.

PRESENTATIONS: South Africa: Alf Wills said the future should 
involve a strengthened Kyoto Protocol that includes all countries 
and recognizes their common but differentiated responsibilities. 
He stressed that the science of adaptation is relatively 
underdeveloped, highlighted that mitigation and adaptation in 
South Africa is an "energy story," and called for a "roadmap" for 
negotiations to be developed at COP-11/MOP-1 in Montreal in late 
2005.

Norway: Harald Dovland underscored that 2012 is only seven years 
away, a very short time given the long planning periods needed for 
many sectors. Commenting on the shape of a future climate regime, 
he said it should contain the Kyoto Protocol's positive elements, 
such as differentiated commitments, flexibility and reporting.

European Commission: Artur Runge-Metzger outlined the EU's 
progress in achieving the Kyoto targets, stressing its emphasis on 
cost-effective policies, a multi-stakeholder approach, and the use 
of market-based instruments, regulations and standards, labeling 
and voluntary measures. He reported on the EU's Emissions Trading 
Scheme (ETS), which allows linking with Joint Implementation (JI) 
and the CDM. He also noted work on the aviation sector, carbon 
capture and storage, and adaptation.

United States: Harlan Watson outlined his country's policies to 
address climate change, stressing its commitment to the UNFCCC and 
the need for sustained efforts by all nations across generations. 
Noting President Bush's "ambitious goal" to reduce greenhouse gas 
intensity by 18 percent from 2002-2012, he noted progress to date, 
with slightly lower emissions in 2003 than 2000 in spite of 
population growth and a significant rise in gross domestic product 
(GDP). He emphasized the US commitment to engaging fully at the 
international level and to sustainable development, noting 
initiatives on carbon capture and storage, hydrogen, nuclear 
energy and methane recovery and use.

DISCUSSION: Responding to a question from Luxembourg about 
existing technologies, Harlan Watson agreed that these had an 
important role. In response to a comment from Bolivia on the role 
of forestry in reducing climate change impacts, Artur Runge-
Metzger noted that the sector was only partially dealt with under 
the Kyoto Protocol, as deforestation was not adequately addressed. 
Harlan Watson emphasized sequestration focused on forests and 
farmland. Harald Dovland noted that he had not been especially 
satisfied with how forestry and sinks issues had been addressed 
under the Kyoto Protocol, and hoped that in future regimes they 
would be dealt with through constructive discussions. Alf Wills 
noted concerns that South Africa's particular conditions, 
including its water limitations, meant forestry issues are 
considered more in terms of vulnerability and adaptation than 
carbon sinks. 

Responding to Bulgaria's question about the exclusion of aviation 
from the Kyoto Protocol, Artur Runge-Metzger said the European 
Commission was considering this complex issue, and that aviation 
should be addressed in a future climate regime. Harlan Watson 
noted that the aviation sector is experiencing growth in some 
parts of the world, although not in the US. Harold Dovland noted 
discussions on this issue in the International Civil Aviation 
Organization (ICAO) and the EU.

Indonesia asked about the post-2012 period. Artur Runge-Metzger 
indicated that neither the EU ETS Directive nor the Linking 
Directive to the CDM and JI have an expiration date. Harold 
Dovland said care must be taken not to establish a regime that is 
so complex that compliance cannot be monitored effectively. He 
expressed a personal view that a future framework should involve 
multiple stakeholders, rather than "the dichotomous world of Annex 
I and non-Annex I" Parties.

SESSION THREE

This session, which took place on Monday afternoon, included 
speeches from Tuvalu, Albania, the Republic of Korea and the 
Netherlands, as well as a question-and-answer session.

PRESENTATIONS: Tuvalu: Ian Fry said Annex B countries should focus 
on energy efficiency and renewable energy and that countries that 
are not Parties to the Kyoto Protocol should reduce their 
emissions levels. He called for a renewable energy and energy 
efficiency technology fund to assist non-Annex I countries in 
reducing emissions and purchasing the necessary technologies. He 
also opposed nuclear power as an option. Fry said adaptation 
measures should focus both on building resistance to the impacts 
of climate change, and on restoring the damage caused by its 
impacts. He highlighted the need for a new financial facility for 
adaptation funding, but said there was no need for an adaptation 
protocol.

Albania: Ermira Fida said Albania's First National Communication 
has been used to mainstream climate change into national policies, 
including the development of the national energy strategy and 
identifying ways to meet technology needs. 

Republic of Korea: Boo Nam Shin noted that energy demand is 
projected to grow both in the Republic of Korea and globally. He 
highlighted international cooperation based on the principle of 
common but differentiated responsibilities, and called for the 
development and diffusion of more efficient technologies, and 
technological assistance for non-Annex I countries.

The Netherlands: Yvo de Boer speaking for the EU, focused on 
policy integration, noting increasing energy consumption. He 
underscored the need to make emissions reductions economically 
attractive, and to use the lessons learned from the Kyoto 
Protocol. He said the international community should take 
advantage of the synergies between combating climate change and 
achieving development. 

DISCUSSION: In the subsequent discussion, India asked for 
clarification on the new approaches to differentiation among 
Parties, and Yvo de Boer said these should be built on the UNFCCC 
framework. Pakistan highlighted the role of renewable energy 
sources in economic empowerment of the poor and Samoa stressed the 
importance of renewable energy technology transfer. Ian Fry called 
for discussions on how to engage more effectively with 
international financial institutions and to evolve in a way that 
meets poverty reduction requirements as well as emissions 
reduction requirements.

SESSION FOUR

This session, which was held late Monday afternoon, included 
presentations from Canada, Japan, Morocco and India, as well as a 
question-and-answer session.

PRESENTATIONS: Canada: Norine Smith reported on Project Green, 
which sets out steps to ensure that Canada can meet its Kyoto 
commitments. She underscored Project Green's focus on market 
mechanisms, a partnerships fund, large emitters, information for 
Canadian consumers, carbon sequestration and environmentally-
sustainable infrastructure. She also highlighted mounting evidence 
for climate change and a realization that that much more needs to 
be done beyond Kyoto, with climate change already occurring and 
affecting communities such as those in northern Canada. Outlining 
preparations for COP-11/MOP-1 in Montreal, she drew attention to 
the pre-meeting consultative process, welcoming advice and input 
to help move the climate process forward and to operationalize the 
Kyoto Protocol. 

Japan: Mutsuyoshi Nishimura drew attention to Japan's new plan to 
implement its Kyoto commitments, describing it as a "huge package" 
of measures involving various stakeholders. Stressing that climate 
change is real and that delays in dealing with it will lead to 
further damage, he highlighted technological innovation, on which 
Japan has taken a leading role, and also advocated global action. 
He supported a free and frank dialogue and a "new paradigm" that 
was "encouraging and enabling" rather than "capping and 
punishing." He supported a roadmap to a low carbon society.

Morocco: Taha Balafrej highlighted Morocco's vulnerability to 
climate change, including its impact on precipitation and water 
supply. On the way forward, he said Morocco would entertain any 
proposal to combat global warming in a substantial way. He 
stressed that commitments from all developed countries are needed, 
highlighted business sector concerns about the economic impacts of 
climate change, suggested making this process less complicated and 
more flexible, and called for procedures for the CDM to be 
streamlined. He also urged greater efforts on adaptation.

India: Surya P. Sethi stated that emissions in Annex I countries 
are rising and that their reductions have not resulted from new 
climate policies and measures but from "one time" events such as 
the economic transition in Eastern Europe, and the shift from coal 
to gas in the UK. He emphasized the limits of different models 
forecasting emissions trends and drew attention to the barriers to 
technology transfer and financing. He noted that India's low 
emissions levels do not result only from poverty but that they can 
also be attributed to lifestyle choices.

DISCUSSION: Responding to questions from various participants 
concerning technology transfer, Surya P. Sethi highlighted that 
the transfer of certain technologies should be moved to the public 
domain, as the speed of commercially-driven technology transfer 
will be insufficient to affect climate change in any meaningful 
way, due to the lack of resources in developing countries. Taha 
Balafrej underscored the need to have a clear picture of the 
efforts made to date by developed countries, and the results 
achieved. He noted the need to improve the system and equity in 
CDM project distribution, emphasizing Africa's under-
representation. Responding to a question from Germany on the 
inclusion of the private sector in reducing carbon emissions, 
Mutsuyoshi Nishimura explained about Japan's voluntary programme 
and Norine Smith reported on Canada's consultation with large 
emitters, which resulted in an emissions intensity approach. 
Responding to a question from the UK on their long-term climate 
policy perspectives, Mutsuyoshi Nishimura and Norine Smith 
underscored that long-term planning is needed to secure the 
necessary investments in infrastructure. Mutsuyoshi Nishimura 
noted Japan's significant investments in energy efficiency and 
conservation over many years. Norine Smith said the similarities 
in different countries' approaches probably reflect the influence 
of academic literature.

SESSION FIVE

On Tuesday morning, 17 May, delegates heard presentations from 
government experts from Papua New Guinea, Mexico, Australia and 
France, and engaged in a question-and-answer session. 

PRESENTATIONS: Papua New Guinea: Robert G. Aisi underscored that 
the Kyoto Protocol excludes action by developing countries to 
avoid deforestation. He proposed an optional protocol with 
tradable credits issued against avoided deforestation, and 
questioned whether the Marrakesh Accords should be amended.

Mexico: Fernando Tudela said a signal should be given to the 
markets on the future of the climate regime, and raised the 
possibility of a "Montreal Mandate" at COP-11/MOP-1. He suggested 
that further differentiation among developing countries was 
necessary, and introduced the idea of flexible convergence of per 
capita emissions. While noting some positive aspects of the CDM, 
he listed various concerns, including transaction costs and an 
imbalance between environmental integrity and effectiveness.  

Australia: Jan Adams said the major emitters should take action to 
reduce emissions and identified the growing global energy demand 
as a major challenge. She highlighted cooperation on the 
development of both renewable energy and cleaner fossil fuel 
technologies, and identified thermal power generation, carbon 
sequestration and clean coal technologies as promising 
alternatives.

France: Paul Watkinson, on behalf of the EU, focused on the 
investment challenge. He highlighted the need to influence private 
investment decisions and emphasized the importance of integrating 
climate in other policies, the role of trade regimes and the World 
Trade Organization, and noted that post-2012 uncertainty is 
already affecting carbon markets. 

DISCUSSION: In the ensuing discussion, Monaco said per capita 
emissions should be a relevant consideration in determining future 
commitments. Egypt, the Russian Federation, Monaco and others 
underscored problems with the CDM, including its complexity. 
Morocco noted that, while the CDM needs to be improved, it does 
link action on climate change to development. Fernando Tudela 
suggested that the CDM could focus on economic sectors and that 
sectoral baselines be developed. 

Hungary and Japan asked what was meant by differentiation among 
developing countries, and Fernando Tudela replied that if a 
country can do more to reduce emissions then it should do so, thus 
avoiding a "race to the bottom." Morocco proposed that the 
Secretariat put up a Carbon Thermometer on its website, based on 
Annex I national contributions, to increase the visibility of 
carbon emissions. The Russian Federation highlighted the need for 
post-2012 certainty to encourage private sector investment. Tuvalu 
raised the issue of small developing country participation in the 
climate process. Paul Watkinson observed that, as a result of the 
EU ETS, businesses in the EU are aware of their emissions levels. 

SESSION SIX

On Tuesday morning, delegates heard presentations from New 
Zealand, Germany, Argentina and Finland, and engaged in a 
question-and-answer session. 

PRESENTATIONS: New Zealand: Helen Plume noted her country's 
responses to climate change, including a carbon tax to be 
introduced in 2007. She drew attention to New Zealand's unique 
circumstances and highlighted the need for flexible solutions, 
while emphasizing that all the major emitters should be involved 
in the process and that broad participation is essential. 

Germany: Karsten Sach, on behalf of the EU, spoke about technology 
and innovation. Highlighting the need to find ways to bring 
technologies to the market, he outlined a range of "push and pull" 
policies, and discussed the role of public-private partnerships. 
He said the Kyoto framework serves as a good basis for the post-
2012 period, and stressed that there should be no gap in the 
process. 

Argentina: Vicente R. Barros acknowledged warnings about the 2?C 
global warming threshold, and noted that warming is expected to be 
greater in some tropical and sub-tropical areas, with impacts on, 
inter alia, precipitation, water supplies, hydro power and 
agriculture. He stressed the importance of taking action on the 
post-2012 period, arguing that "we must start now" to discuss 
these issues. He highlighted the importance of the CDM and said 
its scope should be expanded. He also discussed the important 
roles of carbon sequestration and reforestation. 

Finland: Outi Bergh�ll stressed the urgency of adaptation, and 
called for the integration of climate change and adaptation into 
development policies, as well as into national and subnational 
decision-making. She emphasized the need to enhance cross-sectoral 
communication, avoid duplication of efforts, and find synergies 
between international institutions and other multilateral 
environmental agreements. 

DISCUSSION: Responding to a question from Hungary on long-term 
goals, Helen Plume indicated that New Zealand has not adopted a 
long-term global warming target, but accepted that international 
consensus on such a target would provide greater certainty for the 
business sector. Responding to a question from Pakistan, Karsten 
Sach highlighted the value of networking to promote renewable 
energy, and agreed with Kenya on the need to build capacity for 
Africa to participate more effectively in the CDM. Vicente R. 
Barros identified the need for mechanisms to encourage larger 
emissions reductions and further develop the CDM. Responding to 
Kenya, Outi Bergh�ll said the recognition of differences in the 
impacts of climate change on countries must be the starting point 
for adaptation, and that responses must be tailored to fit 
national circumstances.   

PRESENTATIONS FROM CIVIL SOCIETY

Representatives of civil society groups were invited to speak 
early on Tuesday afternoon. Nick Campbell, representing the 
business and industry organizations at the Seminar, emphasized the 
willingness of the business community to continue to participate 
in climate efforts and urged Parties to consider the wider impacts 
of climate policies.

Sanjay Vashist, Climate Action Network, underscored that climate 
change is already having an impact, and said a mandate for 
negotiations on the post-2012 period must come out of COP-11/MOP-1 
in Montreal. He urged limiting warming to under 2?C compared with 
pre-industrial levels. He said a future framework should address 
issues such as access to clean technologies, justice and equity, 
new financing, and adaptation. He argued that "we cannot delude 
ourselves that we can engage the US at this point," and should 
begin discussions immediately to ensure continuity between the 
first and second commitment periods. He also urged India to take a 
"fresh approach" and support a Montreal mandate.

Saleemul Huq, on behalf of Research and Independent Non-
Governmental Organizations (RINGOs), supported a more robust 
response to climate change, and strengthened action on mitigation 
and adaptation. He said RINGOs are committed to this process and 
contributing as it moves forward in the direction agreed by 
Parties.

SESSION SEVEN

On Tuesday afternoon, delegates heard presentations from 
representatives of Peru, Mali and Saudi Arabia, and engaged in a 
question-and-answer session. 

PRESENTATIONS: Peru: Mar�a Paz Cigar�n focused on practical action 
to address climate change at the national level. She elaborated on 
public awareness campaigns and adaptation issues, noting that 
adaptation is local but needs international support. She 
underscored the need to identify critical actors and target 
audiences for public awareness campaigns, noting their campaign 
slogan: "Climate is changing, so should we."

Mali: Mama Konate elaborated on Mali's national monitoring plans 
and meteorological information systems to provide weather 
information to farmers, which are an example of local adaptation 
and allow rural population to take action. 

Saudi Arabia: Fareed Al-Asaly said Annex I Parties are not 
fulfilling their commitments under the UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol, 
particularly in reducing emissions or providing assistance and 
technology transfer. He underscored that international action 
should be based on the articles of the UNFCCC, and stating that 
the Buenos Aires Programme on Adaptation was inadequate, he called 
for a focus on modeling, insurance and economic diversification.

DISCUSSION: Namibia, Burkina Faso, Togo and others expressed 
interest in Mali's experiences with national monitoring plans and 
meteorological information systems, and raised the idea of turning 
them into a regional programme. Egypt and Malaysia stressed the 
importance of technology transfer and the role of the private 
sector in technology transfer. The Russian Federation highlighted 
the need for better forecasts on the consequences of climate 
change, together with historical and long-term perspectives. 

Responding to a question from France about adaptation, Mar�a Paz 
Cigar�n said it is very difficult to generalize about the 
experiences of different countries because of their diverse 
circumstances. She indicated that, at present, focusing on 
capacity building against climate variability would be the most 
beneficial action, along with dissemination of information. Mama 
Konate said Mali's information system is an example that can be 
applied to any developing country. Fareed Al-Asaly said that, at 
present, the development of cleaner fossil fuel technologies tends 
to focus on coal, whereas Saudi Arabia would like to see similar 
efforts put into oil technologies. Responding to Nigeria, the UK, 
Algeria and Hungary on economic diversification, Fareed Al-Asaly 
said Saudi Arabia is focusing its economic diversification efforts 
on the petrochemical sector, while in terms of adaptation, the 
emphasis is on coastal zone management.

CLOSING SESSION

Co-Chair Chow Kok Kee opened the closing session late Tuesday 
afternoon. Observing that the Seminar had produced some very 
fruitful discussions, he asked experts to present their views on 
three key issues: technology transfer, adaptation and mitigation. 

Reflecting on the Seminar, several participants were positive 
about the open, frank discussions that had taken place. 
Luxembourg, on behalf of the EU, identified a "large consensus" 
among delegations on the common challenges ahead. He noted the 
EU's determination to reinvigorate discussions on the post-2012 
period and looked forward to further steps in Montreal at 
COP-11/MOP-1. 

TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER: On technology transfer, participants 
commented on how to increase the flow of technology transfer and 
improve the effectiveness of the Kyoto Mechanisms. Canada 
supported strategies targeted at specific technologies. The US 
noted the framework agreed under the Marrakesh Accords. He 
questioned calls for new mechanisms, and praised the Expert Group 
on Technology Transfer on its work to date. He also highlighted 
the focus on public-private partnerships. Tuvalu suggested a new 
funding mechanism to support technology transfer.

On the CDM, Botswana said procedures needed to be simplified. 
China highlighted difficulties with the CDM, and suggested 
strengthening it and considering additional options. Nigeria 
highlighted the CDM's role in catalyzing technology transfer, 
supported strengthening the CDM, and stressed the importance of 
technology needs assessments. Canada offered to host an informal 
workshop on the CDM prior to COP-11/MOP-1, possibly in September 
2005. Germany said the CDM should be strengthened without 
renegotiating the Marrakesh Accords. Qatar emphasized a strong 
compliance system with financial penalties as a means to ensure an 
active CDM market. Uganda said the renegotiation of CDM modalities 
would be too slow, and drew attention to problems caused by the 
commercially-driven nature of technology transfer.

Calling for a signal to the market on post-2012 commitments, 
Bulgaria highlighted the success of JI and described the Green 
Investment Scheme, suggesting that Parties develop guidelines for 
this new mechanism if necessary. Algeria lamented the complexity 
of the CDM procedure. Indonesia said stricter emissions targets 
for industrialized countries would speed up technology transfer by 
reducing the cost of climate-friendly technologies, and emphasized 
that the sustainability of lifestyles was more important than 
technology. On the CDM, Indonesia said ways should be found to 
make transport projects and projects that specifically reduce 
carbon dioxide emissions more attractive. Kenya suggested measures 
to encourage manufacturing in developing countries, and called for 
changes to the CDM to ensure the equitable distribution of 
projects. Bangladesh noted that allowing the market to drive CDM 
investment concentrates projects in countries with better 
infrastructure, and called for a mechanism to guarantee wider 
distribution of CDM projects.

ADAPTATION: Participants were then asked to discuss adaptation 
issues. Finland underscored that mitigation is the key to tackling 
climate change, but said adaptation is also required. She stressed 
that adaptation and mitigation are complementary, not alternative 
actions, and that the international approach to adaptation should 
be different to that on mitigation.

India emphasized that adaptation measures should not attempt to 
replicate mitigation models, such as incremental costs. Senegal 
said technology transfer should be integrated into political 
decision making, and stressed the need for information transfer 
and scientific cooperation. Japan and Bangladesh emphasized the 
need to enhance monitoring and assessment of climate impacts and 
vulnerability. Bangladesh underscored the need to integrate 
disaster management into adaptation strategies. Botswana stressed 
the importance of public awareness on adaptation.

MITIGATION: On mitigation, the Republic of Korea highlighted 
common but differentiated responsibilities and noted that, given 
the current global reliance on fossil fuels, it was time to look 
at the nuclear energy option more positively. He also said 
economic considerations should help guide discussions on the 
post-2012 period.

Canada said the key question now was how to move forward in a way 
that builds constructively on the UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol. She 
noted similarities in the way many countries are addressing the 
climate change problem, and felt that there was a great deal of 
scope for pooling efforts across countries and sectors. 

Luxembourg, on behalf of the EU, supported seeking synergies 
between combating climate change and sustainable development 
objectives, and said EU Heads of State had agreed to restrict 
warming to within the 2?C threshold. The UK highlighted benefits 
of taking both a long-term and short-term approach, noting that 
its ambitious long-term goal had provided a context and incentive 
for short-term action. 

Saudi Arabia said the UNFCCC has set out a clear approach on 
mitigation and Parties should meet their obligations. India 
highlighted the issue of how to shape development policies in ways 
that produce co-benefits on climate change. He noted that 
developing countries are already implementing extensive and 
successful packages of measures on climate change. 

CLOSING REMARKS: Responding to questions about the outcome of the 
Seminar, UNFCCC Executive Secretary Joke Waller-Hunter noted that 
COP-10 had invited the Secretariat to make the proceedings of the 
Seminar available. She indicated that a video webcast of the 
proceedings is available online, and said a compilation of all the 
presentations and discussions would be prepared 
(http://unfccc.int/meetings/seminar/items/3410.php). This would be 
descriptive and factual, but would contain no interpretation of 
events. 

Co-Chair Masaki Konishi indicated that the Seminar had produced a 
"useful and constructive exchange of information on a wide range 
of issues." He said a lot of information had been exchanged, and 
it should help make individual and collective efforts more 
efficient, and create confidence among Parties. He thanked all 
participants, and expressed the hope that the Seminar had helped 
pave the way for COP-11/MOP-1. He expressed his gratitude to the 
Secretariat, interpreters, and the German Government for hosting 
the meeting, and everyone who had made it possible for the Seminar 
to take place. 

Co-Chair Chow Kok Kee noted the frank exchange of information, and 
congratulated participants on their upbeat and positive approach. 
He said he detected a common vision, adding that, although "we may 
take 100 different paths," he hoped they would all end up 
achieving the same goal of combating climate change on the road to 
sustainable development. He declared the Seminar closed shortly 
after 7:00 pm.

A BRIEF ANALYSIS OF THE SEMINAR

"This Seminar... is the first of its kind in UNFCCC history. [But] 
time will tell if it will be remembered as an historic event," 
observed UNFCCC Executive Secretary Joke Waller-Hunter at the 
opening of the Seminar of Governmental Experts on Monday morning, 
16 May. Waller-Hunter's comments reflected the sentiments of the 
participants as the meeting began. Many were unsure of exactly 
what to expect from the Seminar. This uncertainty was due in large 
part to the importance and sensitivity of the issues many 
participants hoped to discuss. 

The decision to hold the Seminar was taken at COP-10 in December 
2004, following heated discussions on how to engage on some of the 
broader issues facing the climate change process. Foremost among 
these issues for some Parties was the future framework and 
commitments to combat climate change in the post-2012 period. 
Developing countries were sensitive to attempts to discuss 
emissions targets for non-Annex I Parties, and there was also the 
difficult question of how to include non-Parties to the Kyoto 
Protocol in talks on subsequent commitments. In addition, there 
was interest in other issues, such as the increasingly strong 
evidence of climate change, differences of opinion over Kyoto's 
future, and mitigation and adaptation. As a result of these 
concerns and sensitivities, the terms of reference set for the 
Seminar were left both broad and, in some countries' opinions, 
quite vague. 

FRANK DIALOGUE AND THE "COMFY ARMCHAIR THEORY"

Given the difficulties at COP-10 during the discussions on the 
Seminar and its mandate, most participants seemed pleasantly 
surprised by the positive atmosphere as the Seminar began. Several 
participants felt that the relaxed setting played its part. The 
Seminar's Co-Chairs, Japan's Masaki Konishi and Malaysia's Chow 
Kok Kee, adopted a laid-back approach that seemed to put 
participants at ease. In addition, many delegates commented on the 
comfortable red armchairs placed on the stage for the government 
experts. The podium was lowered to make it more on a level with 
participants - again to lessen the formality of the occasion. Some 
compared it to a "television talk show" setting, while others 
likened the use of "comfy chairs" and the informal approach to a 
"nice fireside chat."

Whether or not these organizational details were instrumental in 
generating the positive atmosphere, the dialogue was certainly 
open, frank and broad-ranging. There was a free exchange of 
information on actions countries are taking on mitigation and 
adaptation, and to support implementation of commitments under the 
UNFCCC and Kyoto Protocol. There were also no objections when 
speakers began discussing the post-2012 period and other 
previously-sensitive issues.

In an unusual departure from previous climate change meetings, 
participants appeared open to discussing not only what their 
positions are, but also the concerns underlying these positions. 
There was considerable discussion on national circumstances, and 
many observers noted a desire to understand other Parties' 
positions and preoccupations. One participant suggested that the 
broad terms of reference for the meeting, and the fact that it was 
not linked to any specific agenda item, had allowed speakers to 
think and talk "outside the box." 

SUBSTANCE AND STYLE

As well as the "user-friendly" organizational style, many 
observers were also pleased with the substantive nature of the 
discussions, noting the focus on issues rather than procedure. 
Controversial issues were discussed openly. These included 
free-flowing debates on technology transfer, the benefits and 
shortcomings of the CDM, adaptation and mitigation, and even 
nuclear energy.   

Discussions about technology played an important role in the 
Seminar. On technology transfer issues, developing nations 
articulated a clear desire for a greater commitment on this issue 
on the part of industrialized countries. Participants generally 
saw the CDM as a positive and innovative contribution, but they 
also recognized the need to review and streamline the procedures 
and expand the mechanism's scope. They also focused attention on 
the need to develop new technologies. Some observers detected a 
greater willingness to engage on technology issues that the United 
States and some other countries have focused on recently, 
including carbon sequestration and "clean" fossils fuels.

Many experts emphasized the financial aspects of addressing 
climate change, especially the need to ensure that actions provide 
economic opportunities and are cost-effective. Again, some felt 
this reflected a desire to accommodate the perspectives of those 
who had criticized Kyoto on economic grounds. Business and 
industry's desire for long-term certainty was stressed repeatedly, 
as were companies' concerns about their inability to plan properly 
with the post-2012 framework still so unclear. There appeared to 
be consensus that such uncertainty was bad for long-term 
investment. Many Parties also stressed the increasing evidence 
about the economic impacts of climate change, which several 
participants felt contributed towards the more open dialogue at 
the Seminar. In particular, recent meetings affirming the dangers 
of allowing temperatures to rise more than 2?C above pre-
industrial levels seemed to have strengthened many Parties' 
conviction that urgent action is needed.

Another message from the Seminar was the long time-lag for 
translating political decisions into effective policy. This view 
seemed to inspire a greater openness to talking about the post-
2012 period. Some Parties clearly hoped for a "Montreal Mandate" 
from COP/MOP-1 that would lay out a roadmap for the post-2012 
negotiation phase. Whether that road makes its way directly 
through Kyoto territory, within the UNFCCC framework, or heads 
down several different paths, was a question most Parties were 
careful to avoid. 

With COP/MOP-1 still six months away, the outcome and potential 
for a "Montreal Mandate" is far from clear. While there was 
definitely a constructive dialogue at the Seminar, some observers 
felt that there were few signs that the differences between 
Parties had actually narrowed, and that these differences could 
soon translate once more into heated discussions and intransigence 
once formal negotiations resumed. On the other hand, few would 
disagree that the Seminar built confidence and demonstrated a 
willingness to understand other positions and circumstances, and 
even begin the search for innovative ways to accommodate them. One 
participant summed it up as "just a small first step in a new 
phase for the climate process," but quickly added that, "at least 
the step was in the right direction."




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