Laszlo Hornyak píše v Pá 12. 04. 2013 v 08:07 -0400:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michal Skrivanek" <mskri...@redhat.com>
> > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzasl...@redhat.com>
> > Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:29:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] watchdog
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11 Apr 2013, at 12:26, Yair Zaslavsky <yzasl...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjeli...@redhat.com>
> > >> To: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhorn...@redhat.com>
> > >> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33:19 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] watchdog
> > >>
> > >> Good that you have come up with this! So we will make sure to keep this
> > >> info.
> > >> Thnx for coming up with it!
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhorn...@redhat.com>
> > >>> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjeli...@redhat.com>
> > >>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org>
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:25:28 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] watchdog
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjeli...@redhat.com>
> > >>>> To: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhorn...@redhat.com>
> > >>>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:02:16 AM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] watchdog
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhorn...@redhat.com>
> > >>>>> To: "Itamar Heim" <ih...@redhat.com>
> > >>>>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org>
> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:56:32 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] watchdog
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Isnt someone already working on removing the UI distinction between
> > >>>>> server
> > >>>>> and desktop?
> > >>>> Indeed :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> However the desktop/server distinction could be useful for scheduling
> > >>>>> information, I hope that will remain.
> > >>>> There will be a combo box: "optimized for server/desktop". That one
> > >>>> will set up the dialog like you would open the new server/desktop
> > >>>> today.
> > >>>> But you will be able to change them - it will be just some sugar. But
> > >>>> there
> > >>>> is no reason
> > >>>> why would we enforce the disabling the e.g. soundcard for server. By
> > >>>> default
> > >>>> we will, but
> > >>>> you can enable it if you want.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ok, so in engine we will still have the VmType in vmStatic?
> > >>>
> > >>> I think it would make sense to use it in scheduling / load balancing
> > >>> - if a VM is a desktop and no user is connected to the console, then the
> > >>> VM
> > >>> is not in use, therefore it is a good candidate for saving power
> > >>> (hibernate,
> > >>> migrate, shutdown, or any other bad things that can happen to a VM)
> > >>> - if a VM is a server, usually no user connected, but it may still be
> > >>> used
> > >>> through its network. Therefore it may not be a good candidate to
> > >>> migrate.
> > >
> > > is this indeed a valid assumption ("if VM is a server..." ) that a user
> > > will less connect to it?
> > IMHO if we want some new behavior/policy there should be a new corresponding
> > property, not desktop/server. That can be quite misleading and I would
> > rather see it go away. Other than use it as a set of default values
>
> Sure, let's call it something else, but this is a typical behavior expected
> from the desktop/server property. Well there could be property with different default values for desktop and servers, couldn't it? ;) Think about memory overcommit or default disk allocation for example. David > So what we are going to do is that remove the property and throw away all the > related data, while when (if ever) we get the new property (behaveAsDesktop, > notUsedWhenNotConnected, whatever we call it) the users of the system will > set this property for the VM's that used to be desktops. We could save that > work for the users. > > Also, it may appear to be an edge-case, but for a good scheduling in my > opinion this is important. > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>> From: "Itamar Heim" <ih...@redhat.com> > > >>>>>> To: "Laszlo Hornyak" <lhorn...@redhat.com> > > >>>>>> Cc: "engine-devel" <engine-devel@ovirt.org>, "Andrew Cathrow" > > >>>>>> <acath...@redhat.com> > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:38:15 PM > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] watchdog > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 04/10/2013 04:59 PM, Laszlo Hornyak wrote: > > >>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> A new version of the watchdög feature is available in gerrit: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://gerrit.ovirt.org/13057 - db > > >>>>>>> http://gerrit.ovirt.org/13058 - bll > > >>>>>>> http://gerrit.ovirt.org/13059 - frontend > > >>>>>>> http://gerrit.ovirt.org/13060 - rest > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Watchdog_engine_support > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Since the last update the patchset has gone through major changes > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> meet > > >>>>>>> the new architectureal and functional requirements. > > >>>>>>> Also because of the rewrite this is again a preview version under > > >>>>>>> testing > > >>>>>>> with some missing functionality, therefore I re-introduced the > > >>>>>>> [wip] > > >>>>>>> flag > > >>>>>>> on it. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thx, > > >>>>>>> Laszlo > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> Engine-devel mailing list > > >>>>>>> Engine-devel@ovirt.org > > >>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> just a thought after looking at the feature page having different HA > > >>>>>> dialog for server/desktop - I'd consider removing the distinction > > >>>>>> between desktop and server in the GUI wrt HA (i.e., just both have > > >>>>>> same > > >>>>>> set of options) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> (not blocking for this patch) > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> Engine-devel mailing list > > >>>>> Engine-devel@ovirt.org > > >>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Engine-devel mailing list > > >> Engine-devel@ovirt.org > > >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Engine-devel mailing list > > > Engine-devel@ovirt.org > > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel > > _______________________________________________ > > Engine-devel mailing list > > Engine-devel@ovirt.org > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > Engine-devel mailing list > Engine-devel@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/engine-devel -- David Jaša, RHCE SPICE QE based in Brno GPG Key: 22C33E24 Fingerprint: 513A 060B D1B4 2A72 7F0D 0278 B125 CD00 22C3 3E24
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