Thanks for all your work and thinking about this issue, guys, and most
of all your patches!

I too am unsure whether or not to follow Rails' migration behaviour
too closely. I don't have anything against timestamps, but equally I
feel that the problem they attempt to address is far less likely to be
encountered by plugin developers than application developers (and even
then it was relatively rare and could be solved by communication).



Agreed.

So, I'm hesitant to make significant changes at the moment, until
we've reached a better understanding of the implications (thanks for
starting the discussion by the way, Tekin!).


No worries!

Perhaps a useful way to approach this, for the moment and while Rails
itself settles down, is to consider what is currently broken with
plugin migrations. As I understand it, the main issue is that
migrations generated in an application cannot be moved into plugins
because they are named with timestamps. Is that correct?


Yes, partly. The problem is, now a lot of us now have plugins with timestamped mirgations thanks to Sven's fork and Samuel's patch!!

Samuel's/Sven's approach gets my vote - update engines so it tracks each applied migration and then offer a rake task (or even some magic) that upgrades an existing plugin_schema_info table to a plugin_schema_migrations table with applied migrations listed. This would work with both timestamped and sequential migrations.

The only issue I know of with Samuel's patch is that it calls ActiveRecord::Migrator.migrate when migrating, which doesn't scope the applied migrations check by the plugin name, so it will not play nicely if your plugins have migration numbers that clash. _______________________________________________
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