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On 15.03.13 15:47, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On 03/15/2013 03:48 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>> On 15.03.13 07:32, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
>>> On 03/15/2013 02:20 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
>>>> I'm signing this message using S/MIME, out of curiosity to
>>>> see what it does after the mailman footer is appended.
>> 
>>> OK, i've checked this out now, and Thunderbird silently
>>> ignores all S/MIME signatures unless the entire message itself
>>> is S/MIME-signed. (that is, the top level Content-Type needs to
>>> be multipart/signed)
>> 
>> I get a "red" signature indicator from your message (which means 
>> signature invalid).
> 
> You get this for Message-ID: 5142bda8.6000...@fifthhorseman.net ?
> does it have the enigmail-users mailman footer in your copy?  If
> so, i'm interested in figuring out what is different between your
> version of thunderbird and mine.  I wouldn't expect to see any
> evaluation of the signature in question.


I just noticed that you sent the message directly to me, i.e. I did
not get it from mailman. Mailman seems to be clever enough to not send
me the message if I'm already in the To or Cc list. This explains why
I get a signature indication and you don't.

>> I personally think that the best compromise is to display the
>> status as we do now, but prefix it with something like "only a
>> part of the message is signed". I'd love to hear other opinions
>> though.
> 
> just brainstorming: there's also the inline-pgp approach, which
> brackets the signed part with lines like:
> 
> ********* *BEGIN ENCRYPTED or SIGNED PART* *********
> 
> Patrick Brunschwig did not write this.
> 
> ********** *END ENCRYPTED or SIGNED PART* **********
> 
> But this is itself spoofable, because messages can contain these
> strings (e.g. which part of this message was actually signed by
> Patrick?)

Right. An in addition, this approach does not work for PGP/MIME
messages, as you cannot put this around attachments. I don't think
that the current Thunderbird UI fits to marking partially signed
messages correctly.

- -Patrick
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