On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:31:07 -0500 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> On Tuesday, 29 November 2005, at 10:25:01 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > "what developers". > > xcomp. as per xcomps own words - he is too busy to work on it. he would like to, but can't. > > as mailed to this list a few weeks back - entrance is without active > > maintainers/developers. > > That's your opinion. As was made clear previously, other opinions > differ. considering it has bugs, issues, things like simply not working in xinerama, still managing to do re-start loops fo x, not handling failed loing scripts gracefully... i have listed all these before. and basically nothing really gets done. it's not goign anywhere. it's dormant. it's on minimal life support on a good day. > > ibukun just doesnt have the time to work on it anymore (as he said > > himself) and entrance hasnt moved (in terms of features or code > > beyond many peole just committing minor fixes here and there on > > occasion) for a long time. > > That much is true. > > > currently i consider entrance a dead project and as it stands will > > never be released > > Frankly, that's not your call. It's Ibukun's program, and only he can > say whether or not it's "dead" and if/when it will be released. frankly- this is where we differ. if it was alive, ibukun would be answering these mails, patching the code, improving it, working on current issues etc. etc. etc. fact is - that is not happening. i know he's busy and i dont blame him for it. > > until it gets active developers and maintainers. if you wish to pick > > it up... then that would be good. :) > > Again, it's up to Ibukun whether or not he chooses to hand over the > reigns. Until then, people can help out and contribute but not take > over. whoever works on it the most "takes over" by defacto. there is no wonership system. welcome to open source. anyone who takes the code ans runs with it, adnd if there is no competition (ie no one else is working on it) becomes the new owner/maintainer by defacto. this isn't the UN and some beurocracy where you need all the red tape and signing off on things. he who does the work gets the credit, and gets control. ibukun sure knows mroe about entrance than almsot anyone and thus is a good soruce of info and help,a nd is in the best position to work on it effectively, but anyone able to "school up" si then on equal footing, and thus he who does the work - wins. so by your theory - ibukun could simply idle here for the next 10 years, and not do anything to entrance - and until he officially says "i let go" its all his and no one can do anything in terms of releases etc. that's utterly stupid. one thing i will say is that *I* will never produce a release of entrance unless i take ownership. i will make no patches and fix no bugs, unless they annoy me enough to do so. one day i might take over if i get time - but i likely won't. fact is - by DEFACTO if you dont work on something AND someone else then does a tonne of work - the new person becomes maintainer. i've had bad experiences. do NOT rely on ibukun to "won" entrance and maintain it. dont rely on anyone - unless they are actively DOING stuff. it's not ubukun - it's just a general thing. perfect example si the whole crap we have about e.org now - someone never "gave it up" and just disappeared and now we ALL suffer because orf views that someone has to officially give it up and appoint a new maintainer for things to work. hell no way. all the code - ALL OF IT, is fair game. if someone wants to take over - then please do so (do so by actually DOING things, not just saying you will and then do nothing). by virtue of doing work you will become the new owner after a while. of course if the new "owner" basically reduces codd quality, introduces bugs galore and makes the code go "downhill" you can imagine this would be bad, so eventually it may need to be rolled back and such a new owner reigned in or dissallowed access. now i repeat. all the code in cvs is fair gamefor people to work on and improve. help is very much appreciated. if some code that is idle, gets a LOT of wokr done on it by a new person, and the old people are not working on it, then guess what - that new person becomes the maintainer/owner. if both the old and new guys work together - well you are a team. this is like any sport. you pick up the ball and run with it. you dont ask the guy who was holding it before if you have permission to pick it up and score a goal. you simply DO it. > Michael > > -- > Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Ivanova is always right. I will listen to Ivanova. I will not > ignore Ivanova's recommendations. Ivanova is God...and if this > ever happens again, Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out." > -- Claudia Christian (Lt. Cmdr Susan Ivanova), Babylon Five > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. 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