On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:14:21 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[email protected]> wrote: > > But that is the reality. They can call the shots and listen to users. > Users are not always right. But listening is good. In the end people > doing work make the final decisions. And I guess to some extent I > hold a veto power over those which I generally choose not to exercise > except on rare occasions when I think it is warranted.
Not for all, I think those that balance user needs the most tend to prosper the most. It is the same for companies that make products. They choose what to make, and how. But the ultimate decider if they were right or not is the market, the users. Apple was never big on focus groups, but if a product hit market and did not do well. That was a tell as to product failure or success. Either method relies on the end user, before, during, or after. Users tend to make or break things, determine if it was successful or not. Gentoo has had an ever increasing focus on those doing the work vs users and its not had a good effect. I try to always put users needs above my own. Even when I am the one doing the work. > I think there is a balance. Moving forward with minimal interference, > yet still trying to maintain quality too. You will never have > perfect. Perfect is the enemy of good. I completely agree. I think in FOSS there is to much striving for perfection. When in closed source, at some point must ship to make money and recoup investment. I think FOSS has more hang ups to shipping less than perfect software. When the world is based on less than perfect software as is now. Take GNU kernel vs Linux. Keep striving for perfect, was taking forever, and Linux screamed on by. Good example of such. > > > I don't think we need STRUCTURE. I think we need communication. I > > > think people have become awfully bad at this. Here is what people > > > need to do IMHO. > > > > I agree on communication, but I also believe structure is important > > to organizing any group of people to work together on anything. > > structure is no good without communication to begin with. I agree, communication is the core to it all. An organization cannot do a thing without good communication. You will have a hard time organizing at all without communication. > > > f) I still think E should have the filemanager built in. It's far > > > too useful to not do this. It's pretty much necessary for icons on > > > the desktop and consistent FM UI. If its done in-process or > > > outside is another matter, but it has to be deeply integrated. > > > > In brief, I am not a big fan of such. Seems like a Windows concept > > where Explorer ( not Internet Explorer) is deeply integrated. Pretty > > much any issue I have with E that is non-recoverable comes from > > EFM. > > actually ... this pre-dates windows. amiga workbench had it all > integrated before windows 1.0 was around. and i'm an amiga fan. a lot > of e was inspired from those days. i firmly believe a filemanager has > to be deeply integrated. Maybe best for another thread. I am curious what benefits you see in a deeply integrated file manager. I think that goes against the Unix philosophy of not deeply integrating anything. I just do not like any one thing taking out other stuff. The more things can be limited and only effect themselves, the better IMHO. > what are the non-recoverable issues you have? i don't see those. i do > use efm... sometimes thumbnails are blank - scrol lup and down again > and it fixes... recently dnd seems to be flaky and stop working but > that's not an efm change. something in efl did this i think. efm > doesn't have a transhcan. that should be added. The main one, maybe theme issue, is some animation I cannot easily replicate. Where there are arrows on all four corners of the box around the selected file/folder. It does an animation and never ends and gets stuck. Remains on screen after closing EFM. I have had other issues where I could not close it. Those are what I can recall offhand. Pretty sure there are more. I really try to avoid it. Aside from curiosity the main reason I have verne installed is issues with EFM. I really try to avoid it due to past history with it. Trashcan is some what moot to me, as I rarely delete files via a file manager. Along the same lines, I cannot select multiple files/folders/icons on the desktop. Though maybe related to main menu being left click. You can do that in the file manager itself. -- William L. Thomson Jr.
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