On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:53:52 -0500 Matthew Kolar <mjko...@charter.net> said:

> Ah,
> 
> On some further research it looks like elput is an alternative backend 
> to inputd?  That's what this old news release would seem to indicate: 
> https://www.enlightenment.org/news/efl-1.18.0
> 
> I looked for it in meson_options.txt in both efl and enlightenment 
> packages and could not find a reference to it.  What is the config 
> option using meson?

no. elput is our front-end lib to libinput.

> On 9/24/19 8:42 PM, Matthew Kolar wrote:
> > I use Slackware, which uses SysVinit, not systemd.  I dont understand 
> > the bit about elput, what is that?
> >
> >
> > On 9/24/19 8:27 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:11:50 -0500 Matthew Kolar 
> >> <mjko...@charter.net> said:
> >>
> >>> Ok!
> >>>
> >>> The dlopen error has been resolved by recompiling targeting
> >>> opengl-es/egl, but I'm gettting another error now:
> >>>
> >>> ESTART: 2.10681 [0.00085] - Compositor Init
> >>> Enlightenment cannot initialize X Connection...
> >>> LOAD WL_WL MODULE
> >>> Could not create wayland canvas
> >>> LOAD WL_X11 MODULE
> >>> X11 connect failed!
> >>> LOAD WL_DRM MODULE
> >>> ERR<26151>:ecore_drm2 ../src/lib/ecore_drm2/ecore_drm2_device.c:602
> >>> ecore_drm2_device_open() Could not connect to input manager
> >>> ERR<26151>:ecore_evas
> >>> ../src/modules/ecore_evas/engines/drm/ecore_evas_drm.c:164
> >>> _ecore_evas_drm_init() Failed to open device
> >>> ERR<26151>:ecore_drm2 ../src/lib/ecore_drm2/ecore_drm2_device.c:602
> >>> ecore_drm2_device_open() Could not connect to input manager
> >>> ERR<26151>:ecore_evas
> >>> ../src/modules/ecore_evas/engines/drm/ecore_evas_drm.c:164
> >>> _ecore_evas_drm_init() Failed to open device
> >>> Could not create ecore_evas_drm canvas<<<< Enlightenment Error >>>>
> >>> Enlightenment cannot create a compositor.
> >> logind/systemd issue it would seem. your login session doesnt support 
> >> being able
> >> to get input device fd's via logind. elput takes care of this...
> >>
> >>> E: Begin Shutdown Procedure!
> >>> ERR<26151>:e ../src/bin/e_msgbus.c:84 _e_msgbus_request_name_cb() Could
> >>> not request bus name
> >>>
> >>> Looks like I'm missing my "input manager", would that be the dependent
> >>> xkbcommon package?
> >>>
> >>> On 9/24/19 5:03 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:03:55 -0500 Matthew Kolar 
> >>>> <mjko...@charter.net> said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Raster,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ah! That would probably be it, I just went with the default 
> >>>>> full-opengl,
> >>>>> I will have to download new git in that case, if it's going to be
> >>>>> default. I presume that this goes for both efl and E, and that I wont
> >>>>> have to specify gl-es on either anymore?
> >>>> e doesn't know or care about full opengl vs egl/gles - ti deals 
> >>>> with efl as
> >>>> the abstraction and efl abstracts this generally at a high level or 
> >>>> exposes
> >>>> a gles api from evas_gl regardless what back-end evas was built for.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Matthew
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/24/19 12:27 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:47:43 -0500 Matthew Kolar 
> >>>>>> <mjko...@charter.net>
> >>>>>> said:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this:
> >>>>>>             libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f1e2d0c0000)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> did you not enable gles. full opengl is not supported other than 
> >>>>>> in x11
> >>>>>> (and osx)? i actually just switched the default to gl-es because 
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>> keep forgetting to switch to gles to have wl/drm work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Raster,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here is some relevant console output:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> bash-5.0$ ldd 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so
> >>>>>>>             linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fffd23fe000)
> >>>>>>>             libeina.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libeina.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2d4c0000)
> >>>>>>>             libevas.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libevas.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2d1f1000)
> >>>>>>>             libecore.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libecore.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2d172000)
> >>>>>>>             libecore_drm2.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libecore_drm2.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2d15e000)
> >>>>>>>             libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f1e2d159000)
> >>>>>>>             libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libGL.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2d0c0000)
> >>>>>>>             libgbm.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libgbm.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2d0ae000)
> >>>>>>>             libwayland-client.so.0 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libwayland-client.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2d09e000)
> >>>>>>>             libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f1e2ceb9000)
> >>>>>>>             libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f1e2cd6e000)
> >>>>>>>             librt.so.1 => /lib64/librt.so.1 (0x00007f1e2cd64000)
> >>>>>>>             libunwind-x86_64.so.8 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libunwind-x86_64.so.8
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cd45000)
> >>>>>>>             libunwind.so.8 => /usr/lib64/libunwind.so.8
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cd29000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cd08000) libeo.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libeo.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cce3000) libector.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libector.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cca5000) libefl.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libefl.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cc2f000) libemile.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libemile.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cbf4000) libeet.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libeet.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cbbf000) libfreetype.so.6 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libfreetype.so.6
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cb03000)
> >>>>>>>             libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libfontconfig.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2cabd000)
> >>>>>>>             libfribidi.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libfribidi.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2ca9f000) libluajit-5.1.so.2 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libluajit-5.1.so.2
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2ca2d000)
> >>>>>>>             libharfbuzz.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libharfbuzz.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c941000)
> >>>>>>>             libgif.so.7 => /usr/lib64/libgif.so.7 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c932000)
> >>>>>>>             libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib64/libjpeg.so.62 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c89d000)
> >>>>>>>             libpng16.so.16 => /usr/lib64/libpng16.so.16
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c868000) libtiff.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libtiff.so.5
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c7eb000) libwebp.so.7 => /usr/lib64/libwebp.so.7
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c77d000) libglib-2.0.so.0 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c65c000)
> >>>>>>>             libeeze.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libeeze.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c647000)
> >>>>>>>             libelput.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libelput.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c636000)
> >>>>>>>             /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f1e2d5a6000)
> >>>>>>>             libGLX.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libGLX.so.0 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c603000)
> >>>>>>>             libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c4c5000)
> >>>>>>>             libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libXext.so.6 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c4b1000)
> >>>>>>>             libGLdispatch.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libGLdispatch.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c3f5000)
> >>>>>>>             libdrm.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libdrm.so.2 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c3e0000)
> >>>>>>>             libwayland-server.so.0 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libwayland-server.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c3ca000)
> >>>>>>>             libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libexpat.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c39d000)
> >>>>>>>             libffi.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libffi.so.6 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c195000)
> >>>>>>>             libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2c17b000)
> >>>>>>>             liblzma.so.5 => /lib64/liblzma.so.5 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2bf55000)
> >>>>>>>             libssl.so.1.1 => /lib64/libssl.so.1.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2bebe000)
> >>>>>>>             libcrypto.so.1.1 => /lib64/libcrypto.so.1.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2bbde000) libz.so.1 => /lib64/libz.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b9c7000)
> >>>>>>>             libbz2.so.1 => /lib64/libbz2.so.1 (0x00007f1e2b9b4000)
> >>>>>>>             libuuid.so.1 => /lib64/libuuid.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b9ab000)
> >>>>>>>             libgraphite2.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libgraphite2.so.3
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b982000)
> >>>>>>>             libzstd.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libzstd.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b8db000)
> >>>>>>>             libpcre.so.1 => /lib64/libpcre.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b868000)
> >>>>>>>             libecore_file.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libecore_file.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b85e000)
> >>>>>>>             libmount.so.1 => /lib64/libmount.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b800000)
> >>>>>>>             libudev.so.1 => /lib64/libudev.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b7da000)
> >>>>>>>             libeldbus.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libeldbus.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b798000) libecore_input.so.1 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libecore_input.so.
> >>>>>>> 1 (0x00007f1e2b781000)
> >>>>>>>             libinput.so.10 => /usr/lib64/libinput.so.10
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b739000) libxkbcommon.so.0 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libxkbcommon.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b6f9000)
> >>>>>>>             libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libxcb.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b6d0000)
> >>>>>>>             libecore_con.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libecore_con.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b62e000)
> >>>>>>>             libblkid.so.1 => /lib64/libblkid.so.1 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b5db000)
> >>>>>>>             libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b588000) libmtdev.so.1 => /usr/lib64/libmtdev.so.1
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b382000) libevdev.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libevdev.so.2
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b365000) libwacom.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libwacom.so.2
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b359000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libXau.so.6
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b352000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libXdmcp.so.6
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b34a000) libgudev-1.0.so.0 => /lib64/libgudev-1.0.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b33d000) libgobject-2.0.so.0 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.
> >>>>>>> 0 (0x00007f1e2b2e2000)
> >>>>>>>             libgio-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b128000) libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/libgmodule-2.0.so.
> >>>>>>> 0 (0x00007f1e2b120000)
> >>>>>>>             libresolv.so.2 => /lib64/libresolv.so.2 
> >>>>>>> (0x00007f1e2b105000)
> >>>>>>> bash-5.0$ ldd 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so |
> >>>>>>> grep 'EGL'
> >>>>>>> bash-5.0$ ldd 
> >>>>>>> /usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so |
> >>>>>>> grep 'libEGL'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> EGL/libEGL doesnt seem to appear in the list at all. I know I 
> >>>>>>> set the
> >>>>>>> compile options up for this, so what gives?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Matthew
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 9/24/19 10:19 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 23:17:25 -0500 Matthew Kolar 
> >>>>>>>> <mjko...@charter.net>
> >>>>>>>> said:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ok,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> After doing some checking myself, it looks like a mesa bit, so 
> >>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>> going to post a link to my slackbuild with the meson options I
> >>>>>>>>> compiled mesa with.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://pastebin.com/y4PJjyqx
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The only thing I can see that would cause things to go amiss is "
> >>>>>>>>> -Dgles1=false " But I'm skeptical, as "-Dgles2=true" is 
> >>>>>>>>> enabled, I
> >>>>>>>>> think that should take care of it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Brokenshakles
> >>>>>>>> the build script for mesa isn't going to help much as it 
> >>>>>>>> doesn't tell me
> >>>>>>>> about the state of your system. what is installed where?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> dlopen("/usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so",
> >>>>>>>> /usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so: undefined
> >>>>>>>> symbol: eglGetConfigs): RTLD_NOW
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> that is your core issue. have you run ldd on that module.so to 
> >>>>>>>> see what
> >>>>>>>> it links to? it should have linked to libEGL ... compilation 
> >>>>>>>> should have
> >>>>>>>> failed to begin with if that didn't happen.so ldd should tell 
> >>>>>>>> you WHICH
> >>>>>>>> libEGL is being found at runtime. maybe you have multipe 
> >>>>>>>> libEGL's? that
> >>>>>>>> would be a big problem source to begin with.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the EGL api definition/interface defines that it needs 
> >>>>>>>> eglGetConfigs -
> >>>>>>>> if it's not there then your libEGL is broken. that symbol 
> >>>>>>>> doesn't exist.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.khronos.org/registry/EGL/sdk/docs/man/html/eglGetConfigs.xhtml
> >>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> you can start dissecting whatever libEGL's you may have and 
> >>>>>>>> look at
> >>>>>>>> symbols (ldd, then nm) and so on and find out what is going on, 
> >>>>>>>> but the
> >>>>>>>> simple version is:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "your system is broken" or appears to be as the output does not 
> >>>>>>>> say it
> >>>>>>>> can't find libEGL ... it can seemingly find it... what it finds is
> >>>>>>>> broken. follow the breadcrumbs. :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 9/23/19 11:05 PM, Matthew Kolar wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Raster,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ok, so what is the offending package? wayland-egl or mesa?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Brokenshakles
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/23/19 6:52 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 10:30:01 -0500 Matthew Kolar
> >>>>>>>>>>> <mjko...@charter.net> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> did you pass E_WL_FORCE=1 s an env var? don't do that. 
> >>>>>>>>>>> tbat's not
> >>>>>>>>>>> needed at
> >>>>>>>>>>> all. don't set that. it's meant to be used to force a specific
> >>>>>>>>>>> rendering engine. just don't pass that env var and it should be
> >>>>>>>>>>> better. that's what the
> >>>>>>>>>>> wl_1 issue is. you have other issues like:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> /usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so: 
> >>>>>>>>>>> undefined
> >>>>>>>>>>> symbol: eglGetConfigs): RTLD_NOW
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> the gl engine has linked to an egl but your system libEGL is 
> >>>>>>>>>>> missing
> >>>>>>>>>>> that symbol
> >>>>>>>>>>> - your system is somehow broken.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, if you have been on IRC recently, you know 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have been trying to get E-Wayland running on Slackware64.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So far,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> things have been going well, most everything is compiled, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but when
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I try to run
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wayland via enlightenment_start, I get the following:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> MODULE ERR: [Error loading Module]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There was an error loading the module named: wl_1<ps/>No 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> module
> >>>>>>>>>>>> named wl_1/linux-gnu-x86_64-0.23.0/module.so could be found in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the<ps/>module search directories.<ps/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Enlightenment cannot initialize X Connection...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOAD WL_WL MODULE
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ERR<14049>:eina_safety ../src/lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:4484
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ecore_evas_wayland_egl_new() safety check failed: new == NULL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Could not create wayland canvas
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOAD WL_X11 MODULE
> >>>>>>>>>>>> X11 connect failed!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOAD WL_DRM MODULE
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ERR<14049>:eina_module ../src/lib/eina/eina_module.c:327
> >>>>>>>>>>>> eina_module_load() could not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dlopen("/usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so",
> >>>>>>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> /usr/lib64/evas/modules/engines/gl_drm/v-1.23/module.so: 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> undefined
> >>>>>>>>>>>> symbol: eglGetConfigs): RTLD_NOW
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ERR<14049>:ecore_drm2 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/lib/ecore_drm2/ecore_drm2_device.c:602
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ecore_drm2_device_open() Could not connect to input manager
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ERR<14049>:ecore_evas
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ../src/modules/ecore_evas/engines/drm/ecore_evas_drm.c:164
> >>>>>>>>>>>> _ecore_evas_drm_init() Failed to open device
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Could not create ecore_evas_drm canvas<<<< Enlightenment 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Error >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Enlightenment cannot create a compositor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like dlopen is having symbol issues.  Now I know I 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> compiled
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in egl support into efl and mesa, and that the stated 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> module exists
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so anyone have any clue to why it's not finding 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> eglGetConfigs ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brokenshakles
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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