Do you think it is good to let people the **possibility** to fill bugs and
patches in 2 locations ?
And as trac is on the main page, and not bugzilla, people (users, not
developpers) who want to report bugs and patches will do it in trac, not
bugzilla.
If you don't like bugzilla for some kind of resons (reasons that I
understand), you can also understand that some devs do not want to have to
look at 2 locations to see if bugs and patches are reported.
If Trac is not intended to replace bugzilla, I would suggest:
1) to put bugzilla on the main page of enlightenment web site. Currently,
to find him, you have to look at all the web page and see a small notice
about it.
2) to put a big fat warning on the main trac page to say : bugs and
patches must be reported in bugzilla only, todo item are in Trac only.
What do you think ?
Vincent
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:40:53 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
*blah blah - lots of emails - reply to all*
i set up track for project timeline/status/completion tracking - ti deos things
bugzilla doesn't.
1. it doesn't piss me off so much that i might actually use it.
2. it is not meant to replace bugzilla
3. this is the age of the internet - put in links to buzilla items if they are
relevant on a TODO
4. it was intended for handling the TODO file in e. people still ask "what is
there to do? how can i help? what's the status?". trac provides a roadmap with
a nice nice nice nice summary per project - items to do, items done. a
percentage bar. it's simple.
5. i don't intend to use trac for svn. it's just hanging about
6. the wiki is only there for documenting the todo items and providing some
central hook to get to them all - nothing else. trac's wiki is too limited for
much moe
7. did i mention - this is the a web page. we can use things like links back to
the "real' wiki etc.?
8. bugzilla may be working for ewl - great! fantastic! keep using it. it isn't
working for me for e - and the TODO file has been in cvs and still is there and
is only being updated there. i waned to move it more into a public space. trac
seemed to fit the bill. i set it up.
9. bugzilla annoys me to hell - every time i do use it it encouages me to run
away and spend as long as possible away from it until i get back. just somehtng
simple like "list all bugs open for E17" or just "all bugs open" i can't do. i
select "open" and "17" in bugs search but then i need to put in words - i dont
wan to search. i want a LIST. come on bugzilla. how hard is it to just list the
bugs! so instead i have to spend time int he advanced search fiddling with a
bunch of things to create a saved search simply to list the bugs... sure then i
can go create a bunch - go share them.... and people can track progress based
on how long the list of bugs are for some saved search they have to go find and
select. it just annoys me that the simpl things have to be so complex.
providing a simple public status and a simple like like:
top priority:
* do a
* create b
* fix c
nice to have:
* do x
* delete y
* re-color z
etc. doesn't exist with bugzilla.
bugzilla also looks ugly :( filing a bug (or for a simple task/todo item) is
quite an exercise in filling out forms. there is no ability to do any nice
formatting (text only - though i don't mind much, trac does handle this nicely)
etc. etc.
if you want to use bugzilla as a way of putting down a request or todo item
then using bugzilla to also discuss and refine it - draw nice diagrams,
tables, etc. etc. it will get ugly. trac seems to lend itself to this much
better.
as i said - do NOT STOP USING BUGZILLA. i want to use trac for tracking TODO
items for E - they are NOT being tracked in bugzilla. i want to have the
TODO list for e much more visible. let people directly comment on it and maybe
provide ideas or shortcuts etc. some TODO items are very fuzzy and need more
solidification. trac seems to be a good tool for that.
On Nov 15, 2007 5:40 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So I set up Trac:
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e
As per the news:
http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=6
it's intended for project tracking. tracking our TODO items, etc. etc. it
seems it's only me that likes TODO in CVS. no one else except a few core
devs even knows its there. so i am thinking that we use trac to put up the
TODO items and file tickets for them - then we can track what is to be
done, even have discussions on each item - draw up wiki-like documents on
them, find out who is doing them etc. etc.
it even provides a NICE wishlist system. it's friendlier than bugzilla, but
not as powerful.
Ok, I really like trac, but keeping both doesn't solve the previous
problem of people not using bugzilla, instead it create another point
of replication.
I also like bugzilla completeness, but unless we'll create
hierarchical bug dependencies, it doesn't worth the pain.
So, let's try to eliminate one?
Pro-Trac: it's simpler and provides wiki and scm view (I know git and
svn works, but does cvs?)
Pro-Bugzilla: it's complete, you can have hierarchical bugs and with
that have todo lists.
I rather keep the bugzilla + mediawiki instead of going Trac. Maybe
someone could customize bugzilla's UI?
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