On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:41 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >> Really? I have done my best to layout factual reasons and arguments >> but have not seen any rebuttals that have attempted to do the same. >> > True, you have. And I didn't say otherwise. What I said was, more than > half just don't care. > > And it seems that ewl is still under the bsd license. Am I to assume > that no one has put a gun to your head, and forced you to switch > licenses?
Stop mis-characterizing statements. See my other reply about code interactions between parts of the project. >> On 8/6/08, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:20 -0500, Nick Hughart wrote: >> >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Have fun getting any of the libs in CVS to use Eina now. Just more >> >> >>>>>> split effort... >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>> Since they're basically the only doing any code in CVS, it will be >> >> >>>>> as >> >> >>>>> hard as before. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>> I guess I should stop working on EFM then and all those working on >> >> >>>> EWL >> >> >>>> should cease as well. Don't make stupid statements. There are >> >> >>>> plenty of >> >> >>>> people who have and continue to contribute when they can to all of >> >> >>>> E's >> >> >>>> CVS, >> >> >>>> by making such a statement you just look stupid. I realize you are >> >> >>>> trying >> >> >>>> to make a point with all this switching, but in all honesty all it's >> >> >>>> going >> >> >>>> to do is make things worse, so thank all of you for screwing up our >> >> >>>> community more then it already was. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> Ok, so let's reduce the scope of my statement to make it less stupid: >> >> >>> "Since they're basically the only doing any code in CVS [THAT WOULD >> >> >>> USE EINA DIRECTLY], it will be as hard as before". >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I see ecore and evas as main users, possible provide some helpers to >> >> >>> have eet descriptors with eina data types. Of course there are many >> >> >>> places where it could be used, including EWL or ETK, but I saw no talk >> >> >>> about moving them so far. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> EWL uses ecore data types, thus it will use eina indirectly and thus >> >> >> indirectly it will be bound by the terms of the LGPL as will anyone >> >> >> using >> >> >> ecore, evas, edje, etc. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ah, fine... so you all use BSD's libC, do not use GNU LibC or any >> >> > other LGPL library... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> There are plenty of libc's, if a company so chooses they could use a BSD >> >> licensed libc and build the EFL on top of it. This may require patches, >> >> but they can easily patch it themselves if they want to. The contents >> >> of libc are far more common between variations then Eina will be. Also, >> >> if we didn't support GNU libc at all, we probably wouldn't have anywhere >> >> near the exposure we do (note this is no argument for LGPL, people just >> >> happened to build Linux with the GNU tools and here we are today with >> >> that being the most popular combination). >> >> >> >> Either way, you completely ignored the fact that you are causing major >> >> headaches for the community and in the end this isn't going to make >> >> anything better, so once again, thank you for being short-sighted and >> >> trying to force your way upon others who have long ago decided how free >> >> they wanted their software to be. Now they are being forced to either >> >> waste effort or switch licenses, neither of which feels very good (one >> >> of which is impossible) and sure the hell isn't going to bring more >> >> developers (or even end users) as some like to claim. >> >> >> > >> > That's not exactly true. From the discussions here, more than half of us >> > didn't even care whether the libraries would be lgpl or bsd. The rest >> > either want to be only bsd, or only lgpl, and it seems that these edge >> > cases are about equal in numbers. >> > >> > And could you elaborate on why exactly you would be forced to switch >> > from bsd to lgpl. LGPL is not a viral license, so you don't have to do >> > shit. >> > >> > You seem to insinuate that the LGPL camp is only spreading FUD, but to >> > me, it seems that both camps are doing it. >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's >> >> challenge >> >> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >> >> prizes >> >> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the >> >> world >> >> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's >> > challenge >> > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great >> > prizes >> > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world >> > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > enlightenment-devel mailing list >> > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
