Hi Rasterman, Thanks for your explaination, I got the point.
whtuhtc 2010/5/21 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > On Fri, 21 May 2010 11:19:57 +0800 whtuhtc tu <whtu...@gmail.com> said: > > > More specific, when a AP initialize, it seems wm sould be informed and > give > > the AP a window. where does it happen? > > > > If my understanding is wrong, please correct mine. > > that's not how x works. the app creates a window. wm isnt invovled at all. > in > x11 apps can work with OR without a wm present. you really need to read up > on > x11 and how it works. but the simple version: > > app creates window > app sets properties on the window (title, name, class, min/max size etc.) > app shows the window > x11 intercepts the show and doesnt do it if a wm is present - x sends the > wm a > "show request" event for this window. now it's the wm's problem. > wm gets the show event > wm reads any properties it may handle and know about from the window > wm makes a decision as to what to do with the window > if wm decides to manage it, it creates its own "frame window". > wm puts app window inside its fram window (reparents it) > wm may resize app window or may not - up to the wm. on a desktop wm > generally > wm uses size that app created the window at and makes the frame just a > little > bigger so it can hold titlebar, borders etc. > wm handles drawing the titlebar and borders, but app keeps drawing to its > own > window and handling its own keyboard and mouse input events directly from > x. wm > isnt invovled in these events (beyond setting window focus - focus tells > the > xserver where keyboard events go (what window) whhen you press keys as they > can > only go to 1 window (the focused window). > > thats an example of what generally happens. didfferent wm's may work > slightly > differently. override-redirec windows bypass the wm and dont have their > show > request redirected to the wm - the wm doesnt interfere with such windows > (they > are used generally for popup menus for example). > > anyway - you need to study up on x11 before you want to understand the > rest. :) > toolkits like efl (elementary) are just libraries that create windows, > handle > keyboard + mouse input and draw to those windows for you filling them with > stuff. > > > whtuhtc > > > > 2010/5/21 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:05:02 +0800 whtuhtc tu <whtu...@gmail.com> > said: > > > > > > > I am trying to understand the EFL, including how to use and how to > modify > > > to > > > > fit my own purpose. > > > > by the way, where does the AP developed based on the elementary > toolkit > > > > communicate with the window manager, when the AP start. Is it in > > > > ecore_init()? > > > > > > no - as such "where does it communicated with the wm" - that is a > complex > > > topic. first you'd need to just know how x11 and window managers work > in > > > general - there is no one "place" where they communicate - it happens > in > > > many > > > places, sometimes explicit, most of the time just implicitly by setting > > > properties (hints) or simply trying to do things and the wm "reacts". > > > > > > > whtuhtc > > > > 2010/5/20 Vincent Torri <vto...@univ-evry.fr> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 20 May 2010, wh tu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rasterman, > > > > >> > > > > >> I know my qusetion is too rough. Thanks for you reminder. :-) > > > > >> > > > > >> Anyway, I am interested in EFL. It is a work of art I will trace > the > > > > >> source > > > > >> and try to figure out. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > are you interested in working with the EFL, or on the EFL ? > > > > > > > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also thanks for Atton's reply. > > > > >> > > > > >> 2010/5/20 Atton Jonathan <jonathan.at...@gmail.com> > > > > >> > > > > >> Search ELM_THEME in the source file. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> 2010/5/20 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:28:36 +0800 wh tu <whtu...@gmail.com> > said: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Hi Rasterman and Vincent, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Thanks for your quick reply. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> I will look at the elm_theme.c. If this is not so time > -consuming > > > for > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> you > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> could you tell me the startup processes when elementary_test > run? > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> ummmm.. it does... stuff! lots and lots and lots of it... going > down > > > > >>>> many > > > > >>>> many > > > > >>>> many layers through multiple libraries, caches and more... it's > like > > > > >>>> asking > > > > >>>> "can you tell me the history of the roman empire please, if it's > not > > > too > > > > >>>> time > > > > >>>> consuming" :) sure "they started small - conquered a large chunk > of > > > > >>>> wseter > > > > >>>> europe and the middle east, grew big, became decadent and > eventually > > > > >>>> disintegrated". :) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Thanks > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> whtuhtc > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 2010/5/18 Vincent Torri <vto...@univ-evry.fr> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 15:11:28 +0800 wh tu <whtu...@gmail.com> > > > said: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Hi, > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> I am interested in elementary toolkit. I know > elementary_test > > > load > > > > >>>>>>>> data/theme/default.edj as its default theme, but I cannot > find > > > out > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> in > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> which > > > > >>>>>>>> source code file the default.edj file is loaded. I guess > this > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> process > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> should > > > > >>>>>>>> be done in initial process. Anyone could tell where is it? > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> its an edje file. you can decompile edje files with edje_decc > - > > > also > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> in > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> elementary's source in data/themes you'll find the original > source > > > to > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> theme. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> maybe elm_theme.c is the source file he wants. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Vincent > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > > > -------------- > > > > >>>> The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>>> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > >>>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> Regards. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" > -------------- > > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
