On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:55:31 +0100 Davide Andreoli <dave...@gmail.com> said:

> 
> 
> Il giorno 09/nov/2010, alle ore 06:02, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> <ras...@rasterman.com> ha scritto:
> 
> > On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:15:09 -0800 Ian Caldwell <inchost...@gmail.com> said:
> > 
> > why do we need the web side? you already need e and all the tools to create
> > the edje file you submit. you already have all of that. use the local
> > client tool to submit too since you also have that. just integrate
> > submissing in the end directly into the wm - the start is the client. but
> > in the end i'd love to see the wp dialog have a "submit to exchange" button
> > overlayed on the wallpaper preview - make it THAT simple. no browser
> > needed. no login. just press the submit button and presto.
> 
> The summit can not be so simple, when you send a file you need to provide
> your account (user on exchange.org), a description of your theme and at least
> one image to show.
> 
> How can you do this with just a press of a button?also: maybe it take to you
> 2 months to write your new theme, can't you spend 2 minutes to go to the site
> and make a simple upload

for themes - yes, but for wallpapers? someone takes a photo, imports it. thinks
it looks awesome. they want to share. hit the "share" button. that can pop up a
quick entry field or 2. as such your login can also be handled as part of it
(ie login credentials get stored from a one-time login and cookie re-used). it
still is much more convenient than a whole web browser. as such.. it is also
going to be needed anyway - and it allows us to "avoid doing the web page" for
now and work on the back and, protocol and lib - the bits than need to work.

> In the last 2 years I was the only one taking care of exchange: no one
> complain about it, noone submit nothing, all the stuff there are probably
> outdated.
> 
> Also face with a true reality: we don't have any decent content to put on
> exchange. I also agree on the wrong usage of symphony (the framework used on
> exchange.org)
> 
> To conclude: we don't have an exchange maintainer and we don't have
> contents... I really suggest to drop the site, the lib and the module. stop
> wasting time and go back to code :P
> 
> Maybe we can just keep the site, but first we need a maintainer for it

i'm more than happy to drop it - or make it a side project that when it is
ready and working can be used. it is pretty much that right now, but the
symphony infra isnt attractive :) as such if exchange was literally a little c
program we could compile and even run locally - and simply then run on
exchange.e.org when its usable... i'd be happy. it wouldnt even need to do
http/soap etc. could do just ecore_ipc - but then people behind firewalls
+enforced proxies would be in trouble. :) so for only that reason i'd consider
not doing it.

as such i love the idea of exchange. it kind of works ok - it could be MUCH
better. i was hoping some work on an elm client now would be advance work as
for e18 we will use elm for e. so anything working in that client can be
snarfed directly over when the time comes. until then its a cool testbed. not
something i am going to distract myself with though beyond saying "if someone
who has the time and doesnt want to work on other stuff wants to do it... it's
waiting!"

> DaveMDS
> 
> > 
> >> if no-one else objects feel free to jump on this, I think the ability to
> >> submit e based themes and wallpapers would still be nice to be done web
> >> side as well as viewed by potential new E users.
> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Carsten Haitzler
> >> <ras...@rasterman.com>wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:30:32 -0500 Mike Blumenkrantz <m...@zentific.com>
> >>> said:
> >>> 
> >>>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:25:03 -0500
> >>>> Mike Blumenkrantz <m...@zentific.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:39:58 +0900
> >>>>> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> New thread. exchange. it's in bad shape.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> what do we do? as such right now we need to kill off what is there. i
> >>>>>> would want to focus on it being a code-side accessible service. not
> >>> web
> >>>>>> page. that means that e's wallpaper/theme etc. dialogs access it. if
> >>> you
> >>>>>> want to upload - lets make a client that lets you upload/contribute.
> >>> lets
> >>>>>> remove the web part and just focus on the "extend e/efl content into
> >>> web
> >>>>>> hosted and shared content". this makes it simpler, gets rid of the
> >>>>>> "framework" and leads to a nice http+text or soap etc. etc. server
> >>> and
> >>>>>> everything done nicely via that and lib exchange + an app front end.
> >>> some
> >>>>>> stand-alone elm based apps to do the upload + listing of content and
> >>>>>> download for now would be a good start.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> Gonna go ahead and promote my new lib, Azy, here, because it does
> >>> xmlrpc and
> >>>>> jsonrpc very easily (and async without threads!) and uses EFL, so it
> >>> will
> >>>>> work on phones and whatnot client side.  It can do both client and
> >>> server
> >>>>> connections, and all the server methods are written using a simple
> >>> C-like
> >>>>> parsed language which looks something like this:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> boolean rastersrpcfunction(int an_int, string a_string)
> >>>>> <%
> >>>>>    printf("%i, %s\n", an_int, a_string);
> >>>>>    return EINA_TRUE;
> >>>>> %>
> >>>> I forgot to mention that the parser also generates client side bindings
> >>> for
> >>>> all server methods, so that the above method can be called by a client
> >>> running
> >>>> rastersrpcfunction(5, "ilikestuff") once connected.
> >>> 
> >>> i have no problem in principle with this. :)
> >>> 
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