Fully agree with this email. Even though Nokia generally blows, the N900 is 
more open than most other devices on the market. I need to find something at 
least as FOSS friendly to replace it with.

~Jeff Hoogland

----- Original message -----
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 22:03, Jeff Hoogland <jeffhoogl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Are there any handsets out there that use LiMo currently?
> 
> There is a bigger number of LiMo devices out there, sold exclusively
> by Vodafone as "Vodafone 360" with the devices Samsung H1 (SGH-i8320,
> aka protector) and the Samsung M1 (SGH-i6410).
> These devices use the whole LiMo pre-4 stack, so a GNU/Linux variant
> with gtk/clutter GUI without EFL and a Vodafone UI, based on
> gtk/clutter, too.
> However, despite the use of a ton of open source software, these
> devices are completely locked down, it is not easily possible to run
> own software on it, and practically not possible to develop software
> for it as a individual without getting some kind of license.
> 
> There might be other, locked down, LiMo devices out there, too.
> 
> To be honest: I'm still not convinced, that EFL based LiMo4 will be
> all that different, at least with previous LiMo variants the goal was
> not to get open devices with open source software to the people, the
> goal was to get operators and manufacturers an open source OS that
> they could change to their needs to maximize their profit, similar to
> the concept behind android. All of them run proprietary UIs that do
> not allow 3rd party GUI applications (and practically not any other
> 3rd party applications, though that is at least possible due to
> lacking security measures).
> 
> Anyway, I hope Samsung realizes that there is no place for this
> business model besides android and "windows phone" (hell, there might
> not even be place for the latter, despite the enormous amount of money
> and the huge brand name put into it) and they give the open source
> community the chance to do something great, by providing proper
> hardware with a proper and open OS.
> 
> I'm partially excited that there is the possibility we could get that,
> but on the other hand I'm a realist, not an idealist, so I know that
> the chance is rather slim, as history has shown.
> I guess we all have to put our faith into raster and all the other
> open source enthusiasts involved in the project (shout out to all the
> nice samsung guys participating here!), that they can convince the
> management to do the right thing (or maybe already have).

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