On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:37:37 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:13:25 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:24:20 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:54:23 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Carsten Haitzler > > > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:43:05 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > > > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > > > > > > > > > > there are some gfx mode thgins in escapes. i assume thats > > > > > used to draw lines using special line characters as it remaps > > > > > regular chars to these sequences when in that mode - i think. > > > > > i've never tried the menuconfig/ncurses lines thing in > > > > > terminiology, so don't know. > > > > > > > > Thanks to KainX and his expertise I was able to get it working. > > > > There is now a vt100 to unicode table I got from urxvt. The key > > > > was to understand it may change the charset to DEC's ACS. > > > > > > hmm i am still missing them from jed - must be a different set of > > > gfx chars... it's on a mental todo list to look into it. > > > > That seems to be a pain involving code pages, or something else that > > seems be terminal specific sometimes. I've still not figured out > > how to drive line drawing generically in my terminal app. No, I > > don't want to use ncurses, it's too bloated. I'm trying to make an > > ncurses alternative that is not bloated. > > yes - i saw the codepage escapes - i dont know what to do with them > currently. See my subsequent email. Think it's a font issue really. > > My theory is that you can do 99% to 100% of what you need to do > > using just a few basic ANSI escape sequences. Only a few decades > > old serial terminals would need anything different. Most of those > > ANSI sequences are historical bloat that's not needed. Though a > > terminal would need to support a large percent of them, a program > > running on a terminal wont. I'm making a tiny library for those > > programs running on a terminal. > > > > So far I'm getting good results with a surprisingly little bit of > > code, but it's early days yet. Even mature programs can't always > > cope with these box / line "graphics". > > > > On the other hand, I've not researched some of this much, only just > > started it on the weekend. > > > > Yes, it worked fine on terminology out of the box. B-) > > > > > > >> - multiple windows and/or tabs > > > > > > > > > > right now this is right on the end of a list of features as > > > > > frankly i'm not happy with the 1 process goes down and ALL my > > > > > terminals go thing that gnome-terminal does. as for tabs - > > > > > don't use TABS... be imaginative. i was thinking a > > > > > thumbnail-like chooser - wp2 style with a quick select bar > > > > > with smaller thumb on mouseover the top of the term or > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > well, if you have tabs you need fast switch AND fast lookup > > > > where you are. So far nothing beats visual tabs for that. > > > > > > if we make the theme allow for this on signals and swallows then i > > > might entertain it - i still think its too early given stability > > > issues. but no bar of tabs by default. option. > > > > > > > The switch often happens with shortcut... so invisible. But the > > > > lookup > > > > > > that's fine. the intent was to have shortcuts eventually be able > > > to go next/prev term, bring up a grid of them u can then > > > arrow-key select etc. > > > > > > > where you are you can easily see with the tab position as in an > > > > actual physical file/archive. You also need hints of visual > > > > bells or alarms on other tabs -- tabs are usual and unbeatable > > > > as people are used to it, even with screen. > > > > > > > > IOW: let's use the fancyness for other elements, like the > > > > wallpaper and font choosers? > > > > > > we can do better than tabs - and i want to try. > > > > If you mean something like what passes for tabs in elementary, > > please don't. It's on no way shape or form "better". At least the > > way I found to do "tabs" so far on elementary, there was no obvious > > "plain old ordinary tabs" that I found. That was a pain in > > elementary, and I'm not happy with the results. > > no - i dont want that. i want to do something more like wp2. What's wp2? And elementary does need a "just plain tabs dammit" widget. Though transition effects are still a great idea. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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