On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:12:07 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
<[email protected]> said:

> On 28/10/2012, at 01:09, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:05:08 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > <[email protected]> said:
> > 
> >> Hi Raster,
> >> 
> >> Nice improvements to the theme, toolbook tabs look awesome.
> >> 
> >> But the separators/frames issues still remain...
> > 
> > separators are very subtle now. i turned down the brightness of the light
> > bit and removed the shine. but frame is still there - i like it as it
> > stands. it's the ame bevels etc. a the toolbar and scrollbars etc. etc. so
> > its consistent. did you look at the xcf? all of this waqs "modeled" in the
> > xcf long before i started the edc bits. at the moment i'm still running
> > through doing the edd work for the gfx drawn so far.
> 
> I saw the commits. But had to update gimp to see them as you use features
> just supported by 2.8. So it took me some time and you were already doing the
> EDC 

oh ok. sorry about that. the 2.8 features are a must for layer management given
how many of them that xcf has... :)

> > 
> >> Why do you really like odd/even theme for list items? I find they are
> >> not useful as all of our lists are single-line text, then it's clear
> >> where are the items.
> > 
> > i like it. it makes it easier to follow a line as it is different from the
> > one above/below. 
> > 
> >> Also, the item height for list items without icon is too short. When
> >> you have the icon, it's okay. Also it's disturbing to have these at
> >> different heights, see screenshot.
> > 
> > it's 1 pixel too short. :) and yes - that is a bug in e and was there
> > before. it should be providing icons for all items. either provide all
> > icons or none. the list is much better now as it doesnt use so much more
> > padding space and thus we have a more compact list. we have this problem
> > before in b&w too - it just wasnt as much a difference because b&w added
> > more spacing so percentage-wise it wasnt as much. it looks nice when the
> > items are ALL text or ALL icon.
> 
> I still don't like the odd/even. As I said, the rows are clear per see, just
> see the menu. Maybe a compile time option that generates a plain item without
> those decorations?

i like them. :) i know cedric likes them - he explicitly asked for the
odd/even thing. you can make a theme of your own thats a 99% copy opf dark..
just with your changes.. hell u can now make one using edje_pick and just
provide your overrides... :) right now we don't do it but for e18 i think we'll
adopt a more elm style for themes ie providing a list of preferred themes and
the first one overrides those below.. and that one can contain any overrides u
want to have in it. :)

> > 
> >> side note: seems that the detourious theme for connman shelf gadget
> >> fits very nice with your theme! Just the green light (connected) could
> >> be your blue with the out-glow.
> > 
> > see the xcf. connman stuff is already drawn :) it's everything else that
> > needs doing gadget-wise. :)
> 
> I saw that, just that the blue parts should be less used. It is so high
> contrast that you must be careful with elements such as shelf. Use it to
> indicate out-of-order behavior: low battery, disconnected Internet, ...
> 
> If you do everything in blue, like the connman signal strength, the blue gets
> annoying and looses its property to call attention as one will be forced to
> ignore it.... Or patch the theme

if we want attention of a user.. we'll be animating and definitely getting
their attention. blue is there as a contract color to be used asive from the
greys, blacks and whites.

> > 
> >> Regards,
> >> -- Gustavo
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Raster,
> >>> 
> >>> dark theme is coming along quite well, liking it :-)
> >>> 
> >>> two comments at this point:
> >>>   - Separators: could they be more mild? both in menu and dialog.
> >>> Reasoning: visual noise and as they already add an extra space just
> >>> because of its existence, it doesn't need to be that high-contrast to
> >>> achieve its proposed effect.
> >>>   - Frames (widget) same as above, they add more noise than required, b&w
> >>> was more mild in that sense. If you look at our usage of frames in the
> >>> following dialogs you can see what I mean:
> >>>        - Default Applications: near button box you have lots of noise with
> >>> button border, separator and frames
> >>>        - Menu Settings: chain/sequence of frames, lots of dialogs have
> >>> those.
> >>> 
> >>> on the good feedback: I liked the comp effect on selected windows (blue
> >>> highlight) and completely loved the slider knob! :-)
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> >>> http://profusion.mobi embedded systems
> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> MSN: [email protected]
> >>> Skype: gsbarbieri
> >>> Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> >> http://profusion.mobi embedded systems
> >> --------------------------------------
> >> MSN: [email protected]
> >> Skype: gsbarbieri
> >> Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)    [email protected]
> > 
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