On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:10:48 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]> said:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:13:54 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:00:28 +1000 David Seikel <[email protected]> > > said: > > > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:53:06 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:59:18 +1000 David Seikel > > > > <[email protected]> said: > > > > > > > > > Simon even mentioned that it's his work system that has this > > > > > problem. It's very likely that some company provided systems are > > > > > locked down to specific versions of development tools for the > > > > > companies own reasons. Say for instance to provide a common > > > > > development environment for all the developers. He might not be > > > > > allowed to upgrade automake. > > > > > > > > you dont need to be root to upgrade it. don't be silly. if you're > > > > a developer you can happily upgrade automake all you like - as > > > > long as whatever you want to upgrade doesn't need root privs > > > > (setuid root for example), you can do it. > > > > > > I did not mention root. Could be "locked down" based on the boss > > > saying "Thou shalt use version X, and only version X, on pain of > > > being fired.". > > > > at which point they are not and cannot do development on e and efl, > > so it's moot. if e and efl require it, and the persons JOB is to work > > on e or efl, then the boss must relent. if it is not their job, then > > any ability to work on e or efl is a luxury. > > > > if you have a boss that demands that as a developer you cannot > > install a specific version of automake in your own homedir even > > though it is a requirement and dealing with e and efl is part of your > > job, it's an awesome signal to hand in a resignation right there and > > then as you work at a place run by complete imbeciles. > > > > if its unrelated to work and you are permitted to hack on such things > > anyway in spare time, on your company pc, then any boss that mandates > > what you can and cant use when working on such "side projects" is an > > imbecile, so time to quit too (if the alternative is being fired). > > > > if it's not allowed to work on such things in spare time - the > > conversation is moot and u can't work on or use efl no matter what > > version of automake you have. > > > > your point makes no sense. i've been in the industry for a long time - > > I've been in the industry longer than you, the world is a crazy place, > I've seen crazy shit. When unemployment is high, and the world is in > financial deep shit, some people value any job they can get, and will > go along with the crazy shit to keep their crazy jobs with crazy > bosses. Coz the alternative is worse. as before. if where you work is so arsetastic not to even allow a developer to install tools in their homedir, AND your JOB is to work on e and efl.. your place of work and those who make the rules are complete imbeciles. i have never seen such a place, but if it exists - quit it. as such 99.9% chance is that your job does NOT involve working on e or efl. if it does - then this is a REQUIREMENT for your job and they must relent. either that or not have you do your work. simple. if its NOT a requirement, then you can happily do your e and efl stuff at home - if the place is that tight-arsed about machines they wont allow you to "check out e from git/svn and compile it" regardless. there is a massive difference between what DEVELOPERS are expected to have to WORK on e/efl vs what "customers" need to build a tarball. the NEXT level down they dont even compile.. they use packages - so its moot. > My point is, and always has been, that it's best to support old stuff > if you can, especially commonly used old stuff like Ubuntu 10.04. Fair > enough there are times when you can't support old stuff, but a lot of > the time you can, but people wont. And no, I don't mean old stuff like > CPM, DOS, or Linux 0.* kernels. Drawing the line at currently > supported by their creator versions that are still popular makes sense > to me. So yes, I'll rant against "just upgrade dammit" as much as I > like. :-P > > BTW, I rant coz I care, and I see a lot of "just use this bleeding edge > version", and a lot of "don't care about users that don't fit my world > view", and I get a lot of "you are spouting silly nonsense" for my > troubles. Guess I think a bit more about others than some do. :-P > > -- > A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants > coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
