I think that navigation by part of widget is a wrong. Focus should to jump from widget to widget. If you want to navigate by widget part need to use the key binding. Now you need to press the TAB 3 times for move focus from spinner to next widget, it's really difficult (uncomfortably) to use.
On 03/05/2015 08:40 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:23:30 +0000 (GMT) SHILPA ONKAR SINGH > <shilpa.si...@samsung.com> said: > > i fixed the compatibility btw - and i kind of missed that - yes. it broke it, > but i liked the better focus usability. i can focus the up/down arrows > separately from the entry and actually enter a value which i couldn't before. > imho it improved with this patch. > >> Hi, >> >> With older spinner focus management, accessibility was really difficult >> as we used images for arrows and not buttons and the central part was simply >> text. >> >> When the arrows have to behave like buttons then why do we create our own >> button like UI using arrows? When we have focus management in place (may not >> be that great one as per cedric todo list) why we cannot make use of the >> same? >> >> so total revert In my opinion is not a good idea but yes then we may have to >> override normal focus management and write key binding function again and >> manage accordingly. >> >> but widget navigation has got easier with this patch and not difficult. I >> hope to receive more inputs related to below concerns so that we can address >> all and make a patch accordingly. >> >> BR, >> Shilpa Singh >> >> ------- Original Message ------- >> Sender : rimmed<rim...@yandex.ru> >> Date : Mar 05, 2015 14:50 (GMT+09:00) >> Title : Re: [E-devel] Elm_spinner focus UI, accessibility fix >> >> Hello >> >> On 03/05/2015 04:24 AM, Jean-Philippe André wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:27 PM, SHILPA ONKAR SINGH < >>> shilpa.si...@samsung.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Basic reason to remove keybinding feature from spinner was because now >>>> its >>>> based totally on focus management and focus direction >>>> >>>> manager, we don't need keybinding here and this feature can be managed >>>> only >>>> by focus management. >>>> >>>> The arrows were images before, we made it buttons even the central >>>> text >>>> area >>>> part. >>>> >>>> >>>> Widgets like datetime, index etc:- don't use/need key bindings >>>> >>>> >>>> yes but removal of key bindings from config file is missed will update >>>> soon. >>>> >>> Don't you think that at least PageUp/PageDown (if not Up/Down/Left/Right) >>> should spin the spinner? Also, the mouse wheel now has no effect, how come? >>> >>> Those interactions, for a desktop UI, seem extremely important to me. >>> >>> Sure, the previous behaviour was inconsistent when considering >>> up/down/left/right are used for focus (on top of the usual TAB), but the >>> new behaviour really limits the usability as a desktop UI with standard >>> mouse & keyboard (more unintuitive keypresses are required now). >>> >>> >>> Well, it's just my opinion, >>> JP >>> >> Fully agree with JP. >> Really, need to improve the focus logic, as it's wrote Cedric in the efl >> TODO: >> https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/efl_todo/. >> >> /Elementary general improvement:/ >> Fix and improve elementary focus logic, by building a fully connected >> graph to ensure that their is no dark carner where you can't go to. This >> could be implemented in a few step. First cleanup current code, then >> implement graph computation on every change in the focus chain, with >> finally the focus being computed on demand. >> >> Also, try to use spinner in GUI like this: >> https://phab.enlightenment.org/file/data/ehjqvvazziewwun4xlwn/PHID-FILE-g2ro7gucfcztx4krhc3a/shot-2015-03-05_07-39-10.png >> With this commit navigation by widgets became a very difficult task. >> >> So, my opinion need to revert it, and improve the focus logic, don't change >> the widget logic. >> >> ---- >> Viacheslav Reutskiy (rimmed) >> >>>> BR, >>>> >>>> Shilpa Singh >>>> >>>> >>>> ------- Original Message ------- >>>> >>>> Sender : Lukasz Stanislawski Software >>>> Engineer/SRPOL-Native Apps & Accessibility (TP)/Samsung Electronics >>>> >>>> Date : Mar 04, 2015 22:42 (GMT+09:00) >>>> >>>> Title : Re: [E-devel] Elm_spinner focus UI, accessibility fix >>>> >>>> >>>> This commit also removed keybinding feature from elm_spinner - I'm not >>>> sure if it is good or bad approach, but keybinding are used in almost >>>> every elm_widget. >>>> What is more elm_config still contains keybindings for Elm_Spinner. >>>> BR >>>> On 04.03.2015 13:19, rimmed wrote: >>>> > Raster, you commited thatadfe7fbcd3f4146d84219de7dbb5a273d89f396e . >>>> > Differential Revision:https://phab.enlightenment.org/D1911 >>>> > >>>> > This commit brokebackward compatibility with Elemenatry 1.10. Maybe >>>> need >>>> to change theme|version from "110" to "113"? >>>> > >>>> > Best regards >>>> > Viacheslav Reutskiy (rimmed) >>>> > | >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> > Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, >>>> sponsored >>>> > by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your >>>> hub for >>>> all >>>> > things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership >>>> blogs >>>> to >>>> > news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. 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