He he, yeah, client is still annoying. ;)
Thanks for taking care of everything. If it's what I think you are talking
about, the casting is a very bad idea (as you said yourself on phab). If
the function expects a non cost value, it implies you should strdup it.

--
Tom
On 29 Sep 2015 07:05, "SHILPA ONKAR SINGH" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> Sender : Amitesh Singh<[email protected]>
> Date : Sep 29, 2015 02:03 (GMT+09:00)
> Title : Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 17/20: eina_tmpstr: add
> eina_tmpstr_strftime
>
> Hi,
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote:
>
> > On 28/09/15 09:53, Tom Hacohen wrote:
> > > On 24/09/15 18:53, Cedric BAIL wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Tom Hacohen
> > wrote:
> > >>> On 23/09/15 19:56, Cedric BAIL wrote:
> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Tom Hacohen
> > wrote:
> > >>>>> On 22/09/15 18:31, Cedric BAIL wrote:
> > >>>>>> Le 22 sept. 2015 09:40, "Tom Hacohen" a
> > écrit :
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 22/09/15 17:32, Cedric BAIL wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Le 22 sept. 2015 02:30, "Daniel Kolesa" a
> > écrit :
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Shilpa Singh <
> > >>>>>> [email protected]>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> cedric pushed a commit to branch master.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> >
> http://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/commit/?id=abaf29cb768375957c9ee0b64d36034c21c618ea
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> commit abaf29cb768375957c9ee0b64d36034c21c618ea
> > >>>>>>>>>> Author: Shilpa Singh
> > >>>>>>>>>> Date:   Mon Sep 21 23:48:16 2015 +0200
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>          eina_tmpstr: add eina_tmpstr_strftime
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> This API seems awfully arbitrary and I don't really see the
> > point.
> > >>>>>>>>> Might as well be any other function that prints to strings -
> are
> > you
> > >>>>>>>>> gonna add these too? Sounds horrible to me.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Is it better to have our code cluttered by static buffer and no
> > overflow
> > >>>>>>>> check ? Obviously not. Yes,I expect we refactor all our buffer
> > print
> > >>>>>> code
> > >>>>>>>> as it is pretty bad right now and may even lead to security
> issue
> > in
> > >>>>>> some
> > >>>>>>>> case.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Just to chime in, I think this doomsday scenario is a bit
> > exaggerated.
> > >>>>>>> I think having code like:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> char buf[SOME_LEN];
> > >>>>>>> strftime(...buf...);
> > >>>>>>> return tmpstr_add(buf);
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is a much cleaner solution than adding all of the string
> functions
> > of
> > >>>>>>> the world to tmpstr, strbuf, stringshare and etc.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I really don't like code duplication, and I think that's where
> > Daniel is
> > >>>>>>> coming from.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> What do you think?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> It's a good example that won't always work and increase at best
> the
> > stack
> > >>>>>> size requirement for absolutely no good reason.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Why wouldn't it always work?
> > >>>>> Also if you enclose it in its own sub {}, every compiler will treat
> > the
> > >>>>> stack sanely, and even without it, I'd assume optimising compilers
> > will.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The previous implementation used in Elementary was not working with
> > >>>> some local where it used way more charactere than expected. Work
> > >>>> around solution is to be over generous on memory...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But compiler have no way to optimize it at all. How could they know
> > >>>> before jumping to a function call, that is going to generate data at
> > >>>> runtime, how much that function is going to use to limit the size of
> > >>>> the buffer on the stack they give to it. No compiler can optimize
> > >>>> that. It's just impossible. Every time we put a 4K buffer on the
> stack
> > >>>> all further function call will force that page allocation, that's
> how
> > >>>> things are.
> > >>>
> > >>> As implied by my comment about the own sub {}, I was talking about
> > >>> optimising the over-stack-usage.
> > >>>
> > >>> char buf[SOMELEN];
> > >>> strftime(buf);
> > >>> ret = tmpstr_add(buf);
> > >>> // buf is not used anymore, stack can be cleared.
> > >>>
> > >>> That's what I meant. It's true though that compilers can't assume we
> > >>> haven't kept the buf pointer and used it somewhere else (which we are
> > >>> allowed to until the function ended). Though that's not what you were
> > >>> talking about.
> > >>
> > >> That is another case that a compiler can not optimize. It has no clue
> > >> that buf is not stored somewhere globally, or that ret doesn't point
> > >> to somewhere in it. That's why stack size vary depending on the block
> > >> you are in. Also stack never shrink, so once you get those 4K on it,
> > >> they will stay there.
> > >
> > > As I said, this case is unlikely, but the other case I mentioned does
> > > allow the compiler to optimise:
> > >
> > > int foo(void)
> > > {
> > >      const char *bla;
> > >      {
> > >         char buf[LONGBUF];
> > >         strftime(...);
> > >         bla = eina_tmpstr_add;
> > >      }
> > >      // rest of code
> > >      printf("%s\n", bla);
> > >      return 0;
> > > }
> > >
> > > this can even be simplified into a macro that accepts a parameter
> saying
> > > which function to use to duplicate the string. strdup, eina_tmpstr_add,
> > > eina_stringshare_add or whatever.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> However, looking at the tmpstr code, the solution there is no better.
> > It
> > >>> reallocs all the time and implements a whole mechanism there.
> Wouldn't
> > >>> it be much better to create a eina_strftime_alloc (bad name) that
> > >>> returns an allocated string of the right size and that can be used in
> > >>> strbuf (strbuf_string_steal), tmpstr (add a string steal) and etc?
> > >>> That's writing the function once, and having one API for all of eina,
> > >>> instead of the proposed method which will add plenty and duplicate
> all
> > >>> around.
> > >>
> > >> strftime doesn't tell you the size of the string you need. It only
> > >> tells you if it failed to put the generated string inside the buffer
> > >> you gave it. There is no way around doing a realloc loop with that
> > >> API.
> > >>
> > >> As for writing the function once, it is the case right now. If I was
> > >> to add that function to strbuf or stringshare, then I would obviously
> > >> find a way to share the code. If not by just calling the tmpstr
> > >> function. In general for Eina, we do not add a function until we have
> > >> at least 2 users in our code base. So for now, I do not plan to add
> > >> strftime to any other part of Eina, as we do not have the need for it.
> > >
> > > You are adding eina_tmpstr_add() without any users in the code base...
> > > Anyhow, I think it would be better to add API in a common place, as we
> > > know it'll be used more, than to add a specific API and then
> duplicating
> > > it to a common place.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>>>>> I see no reason to have bad code like that just for fewer line of
> > code.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It's not a fewer lines of code, it's fewer API and a lot less lines
> > of
> > >>>>> code. Also, adding such API implies to developers that they should
> > >>>>> expect such API, so you are just feeding the evil loop.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And they should use it, as the way they usually manually do it lead
> to
> > >>>> bug. This is actually reducing our code base and also reduce our
> > >>>> number of actual bugs.
> > >>>
> > >>> Have a general purpose function that does that (as above), no manual
> > >>> work. Still reduces the codebase, much cleaner.
> > >>
> > >> eina_strftime is I guess what you are trying to say here. Basically
> > >> not making it a tmpstr and just use free to get rid of it. I guess
> > >> that's an acceptable solution.
> > >
> > > Yes, it's exactly what I'm saying. Let's revert this patch and work on
> > > an eina_strftime instead.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>>>> Btw, I was thinking about the whole tmpstr solution (which you know
> > I am
> > >>>>> not a fan off) last night, and I came up with two solutions I think
> > are
> > >>>>> better, and anyhow, are massively more efficient.
> > >>>>> The first involves creating new API (but it's still less API than
> > >>>>> tmpstr) for genlist and etc that accept a struct instead of a
> string.
> > >>>>> This way we can add more info that will hint who should free it.
> > >>>>> This is the more involved, clean solution, that we should maybe
> adopt
> > >>>>> for EFL 2.0.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So your solution is to pass a struct where there will be one byte
> > >>>> dedicated to say if that string need to be freed ? I think that's
> far
> > >>>> from elegant and fully error prone with no way for the compiler to
> > >>>> help on that.
> > >>>
> > >>> Maybe we'll have more metadata in the future. The struct will be
> > created
> > >>> automatically with an helper function, so not error prone at all.
> > >>
> > >> I will have to see it, but I have yet to see what would all those
> > >> metadata be. For the moment, I don't see how this could be an
> > >> improvement over current code base.
> > >
> > > I don't think eina_tmpstr is a good solution that will scale nicely,
> > > these are just alternative ideas.
> > >
> > >>
> > >>>>> The easy hacky solution, which is a replacement to tmpstr (which is
> > also
> > >>>>> a hack) and is much simpler and more efficient, is to use this
> > scheme:
> > >>>>> For static strings you just return them:
> > >>>>> return "foo";
> > >>>>> for dynamic you return this:
> > >>>>> return eina_tomstr_add("bar");
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You can free both with eina_tomstr_free(buf);
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The implementation is where the magic is at, in memory, it looks
> > like this:
> > >>>>> "\x02bar", the first char being the STX (start of text) char. We
> just
> > >>>>> use eina_tomstr_str_get(buf) whenever we want to use it. It just
> > returns
> > >>>>> "buf + 1" if the first char is STX. It's infinitely faster and more
> > >>>>> memory efficient than tmpstr, I think also much cleaner. The only
> bad
> > >>>>> thing is that you need to use the str function, but I think that's
> a
> > >>>>> reasonable compromise.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That would obviously lead to random bug. If you free a buf that has
> > >>>> not been allocated by your tomstr, it will lead to an off by one
> > >>>> access, if you are unlucky you will fall on a non allocated page. If
> > >>>> you are really unlucky it will fall on an existing data that does
> have
> > >>>> the expected value and call free on a static buffer. Also it won't
> be
> > >>>> that much faster or slower as the current implementation walk a
> short
> > >>>> list that should definitively be only a few elements long.
> > >>>
> > >>> How so? As I said, genlist gets "\x02bar", so genlist can safely
> check
> > >>> the *first* (not -1) character of the string. It can then pass the
> > >>> result of string_get() to where it needs actual text, but it keeps
> the
> > >>> real reference for future processing. I don't see why or how we'll
> have
> > >>> text that starts with "\0x02". If we want to make it even more rare,
> we
> > >>> can use two bytes. Still much more efficient than tmpstr. Why would
> the
> > >>> the current implementation be a short list? You want this to be used
> > all
> > >>> around with dynamic strings, this list will grow as usage will grow.
> > >>
> > >> Oh, so you never let the API user know that it is indeed a string and
> > >> allways make it a hidden structure. That would make the code base
> > >> quite hugly with all those str_get arround for little benefit. Also
> > >> having the risk to have a confused API with random behavior sounds bad
> > >> to me. If you want to hide information in a less problematic way, you
> > >> can hide easily one bit in the pointer itself. As your API wouldn't
> > >> autorize the use of the string directly anyway, having the least
> > >> significant bit used to say if the pointer is to be freed or not will
> > >> be clearly less error prone. Still it's hugly as hell and I think
> > >> should be avoided in Efl code base (That's not the first time we have
> > >> ruled against using that trick in Eina code base, and I am still
> > >> against this kind of trick).
> > >
> > > I think the proposed mechanism is much safer than encoding in the
> > > pointer. Encoding in the pointer will result in bad memory access and
> > > thus a crash. My suggestion can cause some issues with comparison,
> > > that's it. You can create mechanisms that make it completely error
> free.
> > > For example, you could save it internally (when you do) as a type that
> > > can't be cast to a string, and then you'd have to use the functions
> > > otherwise it wouldn't compile. This is just a clean way to maintain the
> > > string ABI but still making it safe internally.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> As for why it should stay a short list it is due to what tmpstr is
> > >> used for. Code pattern for it is of the form :
> > >>
> > >> tmp = function_returning_tmpstr();
> > >> function_call(tmp);
> > >> tmpstr_del(tmp);
> > >>
> > >> So either we have a massive recursion (which is wrong and need to be
> > >> fixed), or we are leaking tmpstr. tmpstr is not intended to be used
> > >> for outside of a block and should not be in a structure for example.
> > >> As I said, tmpstr alive at any point in time should be pretty low and
> > >> walking that said list never be a performance issue.
> > >>
> > >
> > > True. If we only use it in genlist (and similar), this is the usage
> > > pattern and it won't be the end of the world. However, as I said, I
> > > proposed above a solution I find more clean and more general purpose.
> > > Can be used in many places and saved for the long term. This is a bit
> > > diverging from the purpose of this thread though (my bad). It's more
> > > important that we deal with the issue at hand before we freeze.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Conclusion: let's add eina_strftime and eina_tmpstr_manage_new and
> > > revert this before the freeze.
> >
> > Btw, the rewrite should also fix the warnings.
> >
> > src/lib/elm_calendar.c:175:11: warning: return discards ‘const’
> > qualifier from pointer target type [-Wdiscarded-qualifiers]
> >      return eina_tmpstr_strftime(E_("%B %Y"), selected_time);
> >             ^
> >
>
> There was a quick patch to fix the warnings. But its incorrect. :/
> https://phab.enlightenment.org/D3113
>
> @tasn, @cedric
> I will add eina_strftime and eina_tmpstr_manage_new as discussed and
> accordingly revert my patch
> https://phab.enlightenment.org/D3048
> will update: https://phab.enlightenment.org/D3087(example)
> and then update elm_calendar code accordingly.
> The above warning patch, I did not have a choice but to typecast due to
> signature of format_func, but hopefully with above changes,
> I wont have to typecast I will update with corrected code.
> @tasn, sorry to use same email client, will change soon
>
>
> > --
> > Tom.
> >
> >
> >
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