2016-04-26 1:35 GMT+02:00 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me>: > Hi, > > Apologies for the delay but I finally got there. 2) and 3) now pushed to > efl. I've removed all the old behaviour code but just deprecated the > properties and methods of lookup_order. elementary_config has a new icons > tab for setting it though I'm not quite finished with the UI yet (but it > works fine). > > Additionally I committed b) to E repo too - so if you set an fdo theme in > the E config it will now be used within elementary too. > > I'm happy with how this is working in git master but it's clearly a big > change so please let me know if you see differently. > > The one thing that it highlighted to me is how small the elm icon set is - > I hope a few design types are happy to help for 1.18 ;) >
Great work, thanks. Will test and report as soon as I will come back home. In these days I'm tring to fill the elm icon theme with more icons, It's an hard work and It is taking much more time that I was expecting... but you will see something soon > > I'm just glad that my apps finally have a consistent icon theme :-D > > Thanks all, > Andy > > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 at 19:16, Davide Andreoli <d...@gurumeditation.it> > wrote: > > > 2016-02-18 14:14 GMT+01:00 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me>: > > > > > To summarise our discussion on IRC last night on this topic there was a > > > general agreement that we can get Elementary to match the > FreeDesktop.org > > > standard for icon naming, allow the user to choose which icon theme to > > use > > > and also remove the therefore redundant lookup order system. (we will > not > > > be including app icons in this work) > > > > > > My next steps to make this happen will be: > > > 1) Rework elm icon naming to be FDO compliant > > > > > > > I have done this work already some times ago, look at the icons edc file: > > > > > https://git.enlightenment.org/core/elementary.git/tree/data/themes/edc/elm/icon.edc > > > > > > > 2) Add configuration option to elm for users to choose the icon set to > > use > > > (i.e. elm and any fdo iconsets installed) > > > 3) Deprecate all lookup_order APIs and phase out appropriately this > > > functionality so all elm apps become consistent > > > > > > In addition to having this all in place for efl 1.18 we need to > complete > > > the following as well: > > > > > > a) Complete the elm icon set so we can leave it as the default (faster > > and > > > works if no other themes/icons installed > > > > > > > I can start working on this point from the first week of march, and > > hopefully > > complete it in time for the 1.18 release. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it's not possible to build or import a complete icon set for the > > release > > > then we may need to re-look at whether the elm icon theme is a sensible > > > default. > > > Once this work is complete it seems sensible to also complete the > > following > > > to make an overall top notch user experience: > > > > > > b) Later update enlightenment to set this option (and respect it?) so > we > > > have a consisteme E + efl apps experience > > > c) If we can package the completed elm icon theme as an FDO icon theme > > then > > > we can have other apps fit with our icons too :) > > > > > > > This was also in my mind, I will try to find a semi-automatic way while > > working on > > point a) > > > > I will be in chat for the next 2 days, then I will be off-line for the > full > > week > > > > > > > > > > I'll start work on the 1 - 3 of making this in for the next EFL so we > can > > > move forward on a smoother user experience for Elementary based apps - > > > please let me know if there is anything in here that does not seem > > sensible > > > or does not match the agreement we came to in our IRC chats. > > > > > > Thanks all for your input and enthusiasm on this subject :) > > > Andy > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 at 01:14 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:07:44 +0100 Davide Andreoli < > > > d...@gurumeditation.it > > > > > > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > 2016-02-16 14:09 GMT+01:00 Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com > >: > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:07:14 +0000 Andrew Williams < > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies but I disagree with this last email. > > > > > > > >From the elementary docs (and Tizen too...) > > > > > > > - "freedesktop.org defines the standard icon names such as > > "home", > > > > > > > "network", etc." > > > > > > > - "The *name* given as a parameter is one of these "keys", and > is > > > > used to > > > > > > > look in the freedesktop.org paths and elementary theme." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it's clear that the intent is to mimic fdo icons in some way > > and > > > > will > > > > > > > support their naming lookups. > > > > > > > The top of the page does list a short number of icon names that > > elm > > > > > > > supports but it is incomplete / out of date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is why would we not go with a standard naming > > > convention? > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > been in place for 10 years and pretty much everyone else uses > it. > > > > > > > If we can use FDO naming then other environment's icon sets > will > > > > work for > > > > > > > us too - bonus no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we do the "one that works everywhere" in isolation we will > > back > > > > > > > ourselves into a not-fdo-compliant place which will cause > > > additional > > > > work > > > > > > > later. Given that it's been years and we don't have a nearly > > > complete > > > > > > icon > > > > > > > set (judging by application requirements, not FDO) then I think > > we > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be a little more realistic about te need to be compliant. > > > > > > > > > > > > i said nothing about having a different naming convention - i > > simply > > > > said > > > > > > make > > > > > > the default theme complete. i dont much care what the names are. > > make > > > > it > > > > > > usefully complete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, at least seems we all agree that we need a full icon theme in > elm > > > :) > > > > > > > > voila. ALL i said is that elm needs to have this theme in place > (full - > > > > minus > > > > actual app icons - we dont need those) FIRST. consider being able to > > > > override > > > > it by looking at xdg/fdo icon theme instead of elm theme AFTER elm > has > > a > > > > full > > > > one first :) solve the "it will work EVERYWHERE" code path first. :) > > > > > > > > > I can take care of this work in this release cycle, but we need to > > > agree > > > > the > > > > > style of icons we want. > > > > > > > > reality is eventually they'll get redrawn. :) it just will take time. > > > > > > > > > I can easly import the work done by wfx at > > > https://github.com/wfx/eicons > > > > in > > > > > the default elm theme, also using fdo names. > > > > > > > > those are a great start > > > > > > > > > Do we like those icons? are we sure we want all the icons to be > > bluish? > > > > > usually I like the bluish version when they are small (like in > > menus), > > > > but > > > > > I'm > > > > > not sure they looks good when used bigger (like in toolbar). > > > > > > > > for now, this will do. :) > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 at 02:14 Carsten Haitzler < > > > ras...@rasterman.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:22:21 +0100 > > marcel-hollerb...@t-online.de > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 06:28:45PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:24:55 +0100 > > > > marcel-hollerb...@t-online.de > > > > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:45:59AM +0900, Carsten > > Haitzler > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 15:50:34 +0000 Andrew Williams > > > > > > > > > > > > <a...@andywilliams.me> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we pick this up again please? if neither 1) nor > > 2) > > > > are > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen then I feel the requirement to add 3) so > that > > > > each app > > > > > > > > can add > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 line to do fdo_elementary lookups for the whole > > app. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm now looking at menus that are a mix of icons > > > > because, as > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > > > > can tell, there's no API for setting the lookup > order > > > for > > > > > > > > menu_item > > > > > > > > > > > > > icons. Ether way this feels like it's really > > > > > > anti-new-developers > > > > > > > > - we > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't have a complete icon set and I think we need > to > > > > deal > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either 2) or 3) are changes that I feel have become > > > > > > essential if > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't get 1) resolved in the next EFL release or > > two... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we need 1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is because on things like tizen there will be > ZERO > > > FDO > > > > > > icon > > > > > > > > sets. > > > > > > > > > > > > ever. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know if this is the right way to go, for example > > > > numix has > > > > > > > > 20000 > > > > > > > > > > > files, do you really want to import that abount of > icons > > > > into a > > > > > > > > theme? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's irrelevant. there will be systems with zero fdo > icon > > > > themes > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > in fact > > > > > > > > > > its the MAJOR os shipping more instances of efl than all > > > other > > > > > > distros > > > > > > > > > > combined. tizen has shipped millions of devices now. the > > > > majority > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > doesnt have an fdo theme. then there is no choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said only use fdo themes, my idea is to let the > user > > > > decided > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > fdo theme or the icon theme in the elm-theme. if there is > no > > > fdo > > > > > > theme > > > > > > > > > we have to fallback on the elm-theme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just because numix has 20000 files does not mean we need > > that > > > > many > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > an elm > > > > > > > > > > theme - we NEED only a single icon per type. we don't > need > > 10 > > > > > > copies > > > > > > > > (one > > > > > > > > > > per size). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about adding a config option to elementary where > you > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > choose a icon theme installed on your system or use the > > > > default > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the theme. If you choose the default theme, elm_icon > will > > > > use the > > > > > > > > theme > > > > > > > > > > > lookup if you have choosen a fdo icon set elm_icon is > > using > > > > the > > > > > > fdo > > > > > > > > > > > lookup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consistency. then its not going to be consistent and > follow > > > the > > > > > > theme > > > > > > > > look. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should give the decision default or fdo > lookup > > > > into > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > of the user, since its their style-decition. > > > > > > > > > > > And the elementary config looks like a good place to > add > > > > > > > > > > > them, since all elm apps will look the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atm FIRST is to ensure that there is an icon in the elm > > theme > > > > > > FIRST. so > > > > > > > > > > there is always one provided regardless of fdo themes. > once > > > we > > > > have > > > > > > > > that - > > > > > > > > > > then we can consider something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it should be the other way arround, the default > theme > > > has > > > > > > > > > missing icons and wrong names. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what "wrong names"? it has icon names of its own. these are > not > > > > even > > > > > > > > pretending > > > > > > > > to follow any fdo standard. so how can they be wrong? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can also keep the look consistent if we have a central > > > setted > > > > > > > > > icon-theme, since we dont do fallback across different > theme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fdo themes have some major drawbacks vs edje: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. can't do animation > > > > > > > > > > 2. can't re-use imagery from other parts of the theme and > > > make > > > > > > icons > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > are "composed" of various elements put together like many > > > > icons are > > > > > > > > > > 3. can't do lossy compression for high-res icons with > alpha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats why I would like to give the possibility "default" > (the > > > > icons > > > > > > > > > shiped with the theme) or a fdo icon set. I guess most > people > > > > like to > > > > > > > > > have a fdo theme instead of the default icon theme. If > > someone > > > > wants > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > have icons with animations etc. he can put these in a > > elm-theme > > > > and > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do the one that works everywhere first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any strong feelings on how we deal with the current > > > > state of > > > > > > > > play? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 at 10:39 Andrew Williams < > > > > > > > > a...@andywilliams.me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with this, I can't ship any large > featured > > > app > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > elm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > icons at this time, I have to use an fdo lookup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If elm were a complete icon theme (including all > E, > > > > efm and > > > > > > > > media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > player etc icons) the current ordering makes > sense > > - > > > > but > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I propose for efl 1.16 we need either: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) import a complete icon theme that works; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) change the lookup order so efl apps don't > look a > > > > mess by > > > > > > > > default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And possibly in either case: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) add an elm api to set strategy for the whole > app > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Primarily I want an elm app to be consistent in > > > itself > > > > but > > > > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it should be consistent with E or the desktop > it's > > > > running > > > > > > > > within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:39 Stephen Houston < > > > > > > > > smhousto...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> At any rate, Raster's reasoning is only good if > > the > > > > theme > > > > > > > > provides > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> a complete icon set... so for that to make sense > > > right > > > > > > now, > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> needs to finish the elm theme icon set or as > > Davide > > > > said > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> import an already complete icon set into the elm > > > > theme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Davide Andreoli > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <d...@gurumeditation.it> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > 2015-08-11 2:14 GMT+02:00 Carsten Haitzler > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > <ras...@rasterman.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:53:08 -0500 Stephen > > > > Houston < > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > smhousto...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > I'm sure this has been discussed before > but > > I > > > > feel > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> bring it > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > It is super annoying that when requesting > a > > > > standard > > > > > > > > icon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > you will > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > get the blue icon from Elementary first if > > it > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > then it > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> falls > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > back on the icon theme. I feel like this > > > > should be > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > opposite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Check the icon theme first and fallback on > > > > > > Elementary's > > > > > > > > blue > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > icons > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> if > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > user's icon theme doesn't have the > requested > > > > > > standard > > > > > > > > icon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > For instance: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-55c4c1af28ccf5.97362633.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > The blue slideshow icon is out of place > > here. > > > > It > > > > > > > > should go > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > icon > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > theme first instead of finding that icon > in > > > > > > Elementary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > not changing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > 1. breaks default behavior of an icon > object. > > > > since > > > > > > icons > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> theme > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > app dev can customize by doing a theme > overlay > > > and > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> icons > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > appear - but if default behavior changes > then > > > his > > > > app > > > > > > > > loses HIS > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > icons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > is a break. no. not changing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I quite disagree here, but we need to split in > > two > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > scenario: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > A: the developer want to provide an icon that > > will > > > > never > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (regardless > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > of the user elm theme in use). This is usually > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > unless you > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > are providing a full theme overlay inside your > > app > > > > (my > > > > > > media > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > center is > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> an > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > example), otherwise your icon will looks wrong > > on > > > > other > > > > > > elm > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > themes that the user may be using. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > B: the developer want to make a themable app > > that > > > > will > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > looks good for every elm theme. This is the > > > "normal" > > > > > > > > behavior of > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > desktop > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> applications, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > and at the moment is quite impossible to > aquire > > > > using > > > > > > elm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I think both scenario can be done using elm: > the > > > > > > sceanrio B > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > coded > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> using > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > elm_icon_standard_set(ic, > "a-fdo-standard-name") > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > While the scenario A should be coded a little > > > > different: > > > > > > > > the dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > can set the icon > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > using elm_icon_file_set(ic, theme_file, > > > > "icon_name") or > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > using standard_set > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > but not using fdo names, fe: > > > > elm_icon_standard_set(ic, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > "my_custom_icon_name") > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > So I think there are no breackage involved, > > unless > > > > an > > > > > > app is > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> standard > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > fdo name while wanted only the custom icon to > be > > > > > > displayed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > 2. the point is to have icons match the > > THEME... > > > > not > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > fdo > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > icon > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> theme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > icons > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > will almost always look out of place in a > > theme > > > > being > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > style/color > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > etc. etc. and so people are eternally > hunting > > > for > > > > a > > > > > > > > "matching > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > icon > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> theme" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > separately to their theme. the whole POINT > of > > an > > > > edj > > > > > > file > > > > > > > > is to > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > have a single > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > unified theme with everything - 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